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acephalousuniverse posted:It's pretty common for Marxists to have an autistic and inhuman relationship to art because people who dedicate their every thought to politics with everything else as "background noise" as that guy said are in fact crippled half-people with a severed connection to their own desires and experience.
self loathing will continued to be tolerated on this forum but projection is now banned thank you.
acephalousuniverse posted:It's pretty common for Marxists to have an autistic and inhuman relationship to art because people who dedicate their every thought to politics with everything else as "background noise" as that guy said are in fact crippled half-people with a severed connection to their own desires and experience.
this is true but it's also, as jools used to sayy, "fine"
blinkandwheeze posted:i don't really know what your point is
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acephalousuniverse posted:It's pretty common for Marxists to have an autistic and inhuman relationship to art because people who dedicate their every thought to politics with everything else as "background noise" as that guy said are in fact crippled half-people with a severed connection to their own desires and experience.
You have an autistic and inhuman relationship to making bad posts.
blinkandwheeze posted:getfiscal posted:blinkandwheeze posted:"cultural works are not inherently more valuable because of their intended political message" is a contrarian opinion?
this might be your most anti-maoist position.... and i like it.
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Works of art which lack artistic quality have no force, however progressive they are politically. Therefore, we oppose both the tendency to produce works of art with a wrong political viewpoint and the tendency towards the "poster and slogan style" which is correct in political viewpoint but lacking in artistic power. On questions of literature and art we must carry on a struggle on two fronts.
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It is not in the role of an artist to worry about life – to feel responsible for creating a better world. This is a very serious distraction. All your conditioning has been directed toward intellectual living. This is useless in artwork. All human knowledge is useless in artwork. Concepts, relationships, categories, classifications, deductions are distractions of mind that we wish to hold free for inspiration.
The mind is always focused on the mission
The eyes are always on the enemy
Responsibility forever resting on one's shoulders
Passion always in one's heart
War can break out at any time
You lot ought to prepare well!
then the guy starts the cringe worthy chinese rapping
hot sun and the moon light
Let me remember this battle cry
Watch my iron hardened brothers arrive
etc etc go learn chinese yourself
edit: when the plane blows up it goes, are you afraid? no! afraid? no! Just waiting for the order... kill kill kill lol
no idea who they are supposed to be blowing up/shooting
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Starting to see how tpain got the way he did
xipe posted:So what's the consensus re political music? I like rap and i like communism and I like communist rap but apparently this is a big joke... could the cool kids at least explain why?
Starting to see how tpain got the way he did
OP mostly bumped a bunch of backpack crap from 15 years ago that has not aged well. If you want to wrestle with if killer mike is bad because he says the fag-word or good because he calls obama a piece of shit!! thats up to you.
xipe posted:So what's the consensus re political music? I like rap and i like communism and I like communist rap but apparently this is a big joke... could the cool kids at least explain why?
Starting to see how tpain got the way he did
listen to whatever the fuck you want and ignore tpaine when he's hopped up on lite beer and bath salts and screaming about dad rock and masaokis videos being the highest and only form of artistic expression. sometimes i like communist rap and sometimes i like EDM instead and thats ok.
if you cant filter out and move on past spastic criticism of a thing you like and believe then i feel you're probably gonna have a challenging time with this whole communism thing in general
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blinkandwheeze posted:getfiscal posted:blinkandwheeze posted:"cultural works are not inherently more valuable because of their intended political message" is a contrarian opinion?
this might be your most anti-maoist position.... and i like it.
Actually,
Works of art which lack artistic quality have no force, however progressive they are politically. Therefore, we oppose both the tendency to produce works of art with a wrong political viewpoint and the tendency towards the "poster and slogan style" which is correct in political viewpoint but lacking in artistic power. On questions of literature and art we must carry on a struggle on two fronts.
anti-oedipus has a useful perspective wrt aesthetics in this sense when they distinguish between preconscious investments of desire versus unconscious, pointing out why someone like crowd favorite mishima can have a reactionary preconscious investment of desires (nationalist/aristocratic etc.) while having a revolutionary unconscious investment of desire (thoroughly against power structures as they actually exist).
if scarface and kool g rap are reactionaries in their expression theres a similiar reason why the political reactionaries dont want anything to do with them, and its why egyptian lover or schoolly d are more revolutionary than immortal technique or ras kass or whoever. you dont need overt political statements to realize tthat kinkades paintings are the works of a cop loving anal sadist any more than you need them to realize egyptian lover would just as soon do away with private property and capitalist exploitation
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