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#362
this might be a dumb question but how easily is water transported? i can't possibly imagine at current prices that pipelines would be economical but i've really never thought about how sources are diverted to areas of demand. but i guess i mean if prices do rise over time, is the concept of taking water from the periphery plausible?

as for water markets, the last time i read much about it i got the impression that it was in a very premature stage and that state and local regulations are complex and 'outdated' to the extent that it really holds up establishing even rudimentary multi-state exchanges like you have with energy.
#363
its relatively straightforward to transport water in an engineering sense but to do it in really large quantities you need a body of water to extract from eg a lake or whatever. it might be possible to drain lakes and glaciers or whatever on the periphery in order to irrigate drought-stricken regions but you're talking about a pipeline full of water that has to cross hundreds or thousands of kilometers of basically wilderness thats going to be dotted with settlements full of people who need water. its probably not a viable way to rob the periphery of water in the long term
#364
another thing you could do i guess would be to deploy a fracking-style operation where many small wells draw fromt he groundwater, and you just have a really big logistical system of trucks moving tanks of water around. thats REALLY oil dependent tho so i don't think its likely to be very resilient in the future
#365
in that case i demand obama redouble his green energy efforts so we may take paraguayan water more efficiently
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#367
between tar sands, reviving asbestos mining and increasing demand for fresh water the future looks bright for the true north
#368
worst case scenario we can always tug an iceberg to somewhere.

or, alternatively, divert the course of a particularly water rich comet or asteroid to hit earth. that'll solve the problem
#369
Doesn't hong kong have water boats or something
#370
cant wait for the big reveal on yajuj and majuj.
#371

Lykourgos posted:
Doesn't hong kong have water boats or something



no, pipeline from pearl river afaik

#372

discipline posted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_privatization



http://www.climatechangecapital.com/property.aspx

see also this on appeals to environmental concerns with the market-based solutions to the tragedy of the commons

#373
in other news, from the mechanical dread side of the apocalypse engineering we've come to know as 'science':





Four wings instead of two: The wings seem to be feathered and emphasize a demonic lust for flying, for speed and migration. Such wings engineer a flight corresponding to desert whirlwinds, dust devils and other meteorological phenomena of deserts which are believed to have been created by Anzu, the beast of flight, who stole the tablet of destiny and eventually was slain by Ninurta. The Sumero-Akkadian epic of Ninurta portrays Anzu as the forerunner of later flying demons, the engineer of demonic flight and of beasts with feathered wings which are linked to cyclogenesis, sonic havoc, spiraling storms across deserts and dust devils. These four wings render the demon a perfect vehicle for carrying pestilential particles (Namtar) and delivering them to their destination without delay, always promptly on time.

#374
those things probably have a battery life of less than five minutes
#375
we're all probably going to get assassinated by nanorobots in about 10 to 20 years if we're still politically active
#376

aerdil posted:
still politically active



~posting is political~

#377
Well then i suppose we better get busy
#378
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9040997/Life-of-crime-is-in-the-genes-study-claims.html

The idea crime could be in part genetic is extremely controversial because most criminologists argue the root causes of crime are environmental factors such as poverty.

But now a group of researchers claims that the genes we are born with could play an even more significant role in our chances of turning to a criminal lifestyle in later years.

...

Researchers looked at three broad groups of people: those who persistently offend throughout their lives, those who only commit crimes in their teens, and those who always obey the law.

They focused on so-called life-course persistent offenders, who are typically guilty of anti-social behaviour during adolescence before progressing to violent or more serious crimes in adult life.

Using data on 4,000 people from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, the researchers found that while adolescent offenders appeared to be more influenced by the environment, the same was not true of those who became lifelong criminals.

The twin methodology used to determine the relative influence of environmental and lifestyle factors did not identify which particular genes were responsible, but suggested what up to 70 per cent of our chance of lifelong criminality could be genetic.



yea genetics do contribute to getting locked up by the state. melanin genetics lmao

#380
race science the best science
#381
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#382
That's plausible if it controls for economic factors imp. We already know that intelligence is at least partially genetic, as well as aggression and many mental illnesses.
#383
wtf someone jacked my comment and posted it in the telegraph lol

Mr Trainbeans

Today 07:04 PM
lmao yes, genes do determine conviction and incarceration rates. melanin genes
#384
Owned noob
#385

discipline posted:
That's really exciting news, what's the next step?



We throw away the key

#386

Goethestein posted:
That's plausible if it controls for economic factors imp. We already know that intelligence is at least partially genetic, as well as aggression and many mental illnesses.



i've only skimmed their methods but i didnt see anything in there about data on SES being collected or used

#387
WTf mr trainbeans once again jackin rhizzone work. Site your work trainbeans or should i say bakayaranaika
#388

shennong posted:

Goethestein posted:
That's plausible if it controls for economic factors imp. We already know that intelligence is at least partially genetic, as well as aggression and many mental illnesses.

i've only skimmed their methods but i didnt see anything in there about data on SES being collected or used



even if they did do this, i have backup lines of attack including "pfft, Criminology? nice impact factor, faggots" and also posting a pic of the lead author

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#390
Owned by the Trainbeans Krew
#391
crime is caused by midichlorians, a microscopic life form that resides within all living cells
#392
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#393
more like the genes on the Y chromosome
#394

mistersix posted:

in other news, from the mechanical dread side of the apocalypse engineering we've come to know as 'science':





Four wings instead of two: The wings seem to be feathered and emphasize a demonic lust for flying, for speed and migration. Such wings engineer a flight corresponding to desert whirlwinds, dust devils and other meteorological phenomena of deserts which are believed to have been created by Anzu, the beast of flight, who stole the tablet of destiny and eventually was slain by Ninurta. The Sumero-Akkadian epic of Ninurta portrays Anzu as the forerunner of later flying demons, the engineer of demonic flight and of beasts with feathered wings which are linked to cyclogenesis, sonic havoc, spiraling storms across deserts and dust devils. These four wings render the demon a perfect vehicle for carrying pestilential particles (Namtar) and delivering them to their destination without delay, always promptly on time.



engineers have a really tragic role under capitalism, as joey can attest to. Veblen understood the plight of the engineer, if not the plight of the laborer.

shennong posted:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9040997/Life-of-crime-is-in-the-genes-study-claims.html



talk about the State of Nature lmao

shennong posted:

i've only skimmed their methods but i didnt see anything in there about data on SES being collected or used



the way to subvert that stuff is to look at it in terms of Lamarck and teleology. it works every time and feels almost like cheating

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#395

Lykourgos posted:
Doesn't hong kong have water boats or something



only in science fiction do boats travel on water

#396
it's gonna be cool when in 40 years we've run out of drinkable fresh water and the new-age eco-activist hippies assault iceberg freighters with hairdryers and footwarmer packets
#397

Groulxsmith posted:
this might be a dumb question but how easily is water transported? i can't possibly imagine at current prices that pipelines would be economical but i've really never thought about how sources are diverted to areas of demand. but i guess i mean if prices do rise over time, is the concept of taking water from the periphery plausible?

as for water markets, the last time i read much about it i got the impression that it was in a very premature stage and that state and local regulations are complex and 'outdated' to the extent that it really holds up establishing even rudimentary multi-state exchanges like you have with energy.



Water is heavy but you can make it go where you want it to go with intensive capital investment. Romans used water bridges and california makes water roads to steal water from the north and sell it to the south, and a few really horrible people make tons of money from this

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#398

Groulxsmith posted:
between tar sands, reviving asbestos mining and increasing demand for fresh water the future looks bright for the true north


It's really sad to see quaint and nice little canada become something like britain. britain is an oil exporter remember, but instead of nationalizing it and having a nice welfare state, a few guys make tons of money from it and the country slashes benefits every few years.

#399
Fall of Communism changed mathematics in US: New study

The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992 brought an influx of Soviet mathematicians to U.S. institutions, and those scholars' differing areas of specialization have changed the way math is studied and taught in this country, according to new research by University of Notre Dame Economist Kirk Doran and a colleague from Harvard.

Titled "The Collapse of the Soviet Union and the Productivity of American Mathematicians," the study will appear in an upcoming edition of the Quarterly Journal of Economics. "In this paper, we examine the impact of the influx of renowned Soviet mathematicians into the global mathematics community," says Doran.

"In the period between the establishment and fall of communism, Soviet mathematics developed in an insular fashion and along very different specializations than American mathematics. As a result, some mathematicians experienced few potential insights from the Soviets, while other fields experienced a flood of new mathematicians, theorems and ideas."

Between the rise and fall of communism in the Soviet Union (1922-92), there was little collaboration and were few exchanges between Soviet and Western mathematicians. In fact, any communication with American mathematicians was read by authorities and special permission was needed to publish outside the Soviet Union.

"Just as speakers of one language, when separated geographically for many generations, develop separate and different dialects through natural changes over time, so Western and Eastern mathematicians, separated by Stalinist and Cold War political institutions, developed under different influences to the point of achieving very different specializations across the fields of mathematics," according to Doran.

Results of the study suggest that the sudden shift in specialized mathematics areas not only was related to a decline in the productivity of American mathematicians whose areas of specialty most overlapped with that of the Soviets, but it also reduced the likelihood of a competing American mathematician producing a top research paper.

Similarly, marginal American mathematicians became much more likely to transfer to lower ranked institutions and to significantly reduce their research and scholarship. There also is evidence in the study that the students of Soviet émigrés had higher lifetime productivity than students from the same institution whose advisors were non-Soviet émigrés.
#400
one thing that would be nice would be a comparative history of american-soviet scientific relations in different fields. its weird to me that mathematics would be so insular when a field like agronomy was basically entirely integrated, resulting in the russians practicing what amounted to kansas-style american scientist/capitalist agriculture