Automated harvesting.
Farm implements used as weapons for popular uprisings from mediaeval times to today is an interesting aspect to consider
check out these motherfuckers, feed em grass and they get all swole and then u can eat them, plus every so often little ones come out their arses or wherever
and look at this brand new cute as fuck little thing that just came out of what i thought was a rock
farming owns, shame the land and animals r owned by a millionaire private equity dude lmao
tpaine posted:not pictured: the ass kicking the two adult geese gave you right after this
too right, don't fuck with a goose
tsinava posted:I see bourgies....bourgies.... everywhere. This coffee pot is a bourgie. My refirgerator?! bourgie.
this toilet!! the biggest bourgie of all. feeding on peoples poops and pees while wasting all the water/ vile parasite.
these ramen noodles are even bourgie.
not my lovely crockpot though. my crockpot is nice and prole
i have no sense of scale or ability to discern shades of grey and constantly feel guilty and terrible for every facet of my existence, but i will consider this post
tpaine posted:they even look like they're about to tear shit up. the sitting one is saying "ron, serrate that bitch for me please."
the goslanos
its a capitalist traversty that more people dont get sent to the countryside
these ones are normally very friendly but the gander gets super defensive when one of the geese is on the nest. the chickens are better and dont give a fuck about people altho the cockrel will do a flying kick into you ssometimes
roseweird posted:tsinava posted:80% of the produce in Russia comes from private gardens
?? are you saying, like, 80% of all agricultural output? including cereal crops? measured how? in weight? in market value? where can i read more about this?
anyway i wish i had a garden, i want to grow, uhh, what do i want to grow? super spicy little chiles, and fresh mint and basil
i mean produce, like fruits and vegetables and stuff. not grain production. although russia has that locked down pretty well too. Just not from private gardens.
More sources:
http://www.trueactivist.com/40-of-russias-food-is-grown-from-dacha-gardens/
http://www.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat_main/rosstat/en/figures/agriculture/
http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b15_12/IssWWW.exe/stg/d01/16-03.htm
http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b15_12/IssWWW.exe/stg/d01/16-04.htm
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UFW tells me blueberry workers in Cali are on strike
maybe mulch around their base with sticks/leaves/grass/whatever
I believe as a result of Russia committing to better, more advanced agriculture practices they have been able to increase their growth in those markets so consistently and so well, despite the intense weather conditions in Russia.
The truth of the matter is that the U.S. has the potential to be THE most productive agricultural industry in the world. We have far more access to arable land than any other nation, and our geography lies between two large oceans, which gives us one of the most stable climates on earth, and Russia is STILL beating the United States in agricultural production and growth. Even in commodities like grain.
The fact that Russia can do this, with 43% less arable land, and 1/8 of the industrial machinery is a giant testament to naturalized farming methods and decentralized markets for certain products.
This is also taking into consideration that Russian agriculture isn't even 100% naturalized. Conventional methods are often still used to produce grain and such.
Another source here if you're particularly intrigued and would like to do a bit of reading: http://www.fao.org/fsnforum/sites/default/files/resources/Family%20Farming%20in%20Russian%20Regions.pdf
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imagine all that as windblown dust. attn tears
roseweird posted:tsinava posted:Another source here if you're particularly intrigued and would like to do a bit of reading: http://www.fao.org/fsnforum/sites/default/files/resources/Family%20Farming%20in%20Russian%20Regions.pdf
is there really a "system" in place facilitating these sales, or is it largely informal?
As I understand it it's kind of both. There are federal frameworks, and state frameworks within those, and municipal within those and so on regarding different levels of production. From what I've read about it they try to make it as formal as possible within reasonable (at least relatively reasonable) constraints and parameters.
I would guess any recognized commodity that isn't being taxed is being closely monitored.
I'm pretty sure that's not the only in-depth study on small-scale agriculture in Russia, if I find more I'll drop them here. It's a really interesting phenomena IMO.
Feel free highlight any particularly interesting parts of the study when you read it. I haven't even read the whole thing TBH and I'm also not very educated so I probably missing a lot of its implications in general.
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which, you know, investing too much in livestock is gross and wasteful, so that's a good idea, but it doesn't mean they have invented a way to just grow incredible amounts of grain without machinery/land/fertilizer
I never said this. I was pointing to Russia's usage of private gardens which contributed to their production economy.
Please don't put words in my mouth, it severely irritates me and makes me cast doubt on whether or not you're arguing honestly. I have repeatedly stated that grain doesn't come from private garden systems! I never said Russia invented a new method of naturalized grain farming!
right so basically what i'm seeing is interesting info about how people outside the most developed industrial economies are able to accomplish a great deal through ingenuity and labor, but nothing showing that russia is "beating" the united states and its super nasty super productive industrial ag, though i guess if dank gets his wish and the midwest blows away things will look different
If you can find a better source than I did then free to post it. I posted a source that pretty clearly shows that Russia has 10% more agricultural growth and 4% more production than the United States (1980-2008) despite it's economic and material disadvantages.
The practice of agriculture in the U.S. is particularly unique and egregious in its wastefulness and "nastiness". It's arguably the most destructive sector of the economy when it comes to pollution. It's not the norm for food production. It's not regarded as the most efficient method in any sense of the word "efficient" either.
Conventional agriculture is a relic from WWII, it's a shoddy old industry propped up by subsidies and bad science, and all over the world different practices are being adopted and researched to move away from it. Which is why you see smaller production systems for things like fruits and vegetables, which is very significant, and does matter.
If you don't want to lose perspective then you need to address it more constructively. I seems more like you're more searching for reasons that naturalized agriculture shouldn't work, rather than reasons that it should. Playing the devil's advocate has its uses but not if you're trying to understand the subject at hand.
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no, it says 4% more agricultural production index, which is more complicated than just "more production" (see again, the question of investment in livestock, and compare agricultural production in terms of market value) ...
No it's not actually more complicated than "just more production" because I'm purposely ignoring the market value and investment index. The agricultural production index is the indicator of how much actual food is being produced which is what really concerns us.
One of the reasons Russia was able to feed their livestock less grain is because of the use naturalized grazing techniques, which is exactly what I'm talking about. More grain was available because the meat was raised on silvopasturing.
sheesh, ok. you selectively cited some figures to suggest russia is 'beating' united states
All I did was google U.S. agricultural output vs Russia. All the sources I selectively cited were accredited or peer-reviewed selected from the front pages. You asked some questions, and I put effort into finding proper sources addressing them. You are being very condescending and disrespectful towards me.
If you're going to accuse me of just slinging random propaganda at you I see no point in further responding to your questions. Just because I didn't read the entire journal doesn't mean I don't understand what it's attempting to convey. There's even a very concise abstract of it on the first page.
I may not be the most informed person on this but that doesn't mean it's acceptable to just dismiss me and my opinions because you believe I haven't "read enough" on the subject. I have offered you some pretty solid information. You have offered none.
