littlegreenpills posted:

i dont know how you ppl can correctly diagnose all media products made with a higher level of sophistication than my little pony fan art as products of the CIA's pervasive infection of global discourse and cultural sensibilities and then go and enjoy it anyway

Very carefully

littlegreenpills posted:

i dont know how you ppl can correctly diagnose all media products made with a higher level of sophistication than my little pony fan art as products of the CIA's pervasive infection of global discourse and cultural sensibilities and then go and enjoy it anyway

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/andre-the-giant-biopic-1201769286/

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

Keven should I buy HGH y or n?

Depends... do you want gains? Or are you a chump?

getfiscal posted:

Depends... do you want gains? Or are you a chump?

Both probably

blinkandwheeze posted:

margulis at least seems to owe a lot to vladimir vernadsky and boris mikhaylov kozo-polyansky which is partially what piqued my interest

i am the leprechaun that collects this type of post in a big pot

Petrol posted:

tears posted:

Is there a Furr equivilant for any popular books about Socialist China? particularly Dikotter's "prize winning" Mao's Great Famine?

i have been looking for exactly this since i got into an argument with someone recently and was doing the usual thing of referencing utsa patnaik etc and they were like HAVE YOU EVEN READ YANG JISHENG's TOMBSTONE?? i found a copy and could immediately see the obvious issues with it, mostly stemming from it being written by an anticommunist journalist rather than an academic, with extremely demographic stuff. but anyway, yeah. need some updated debunking stuff on this subject

In terms of Grover Furr type debunking, there's Mobo Gao's Battle for China's Past. It debunks a lot of the popular memoirs and of course, Chang and Halliday's bullshit, but nothing about Tombstone. I guess it's useful to point out that there's plenty of other people that went to China and did interviews with peasants about the period with no trace of the apocalyptic accounts that have become popular recently.

"If Chang and Halliday’s 38 million toll is correct that means one in
twenty Chinese died of starvation during the Great Leap Forward,
something that could not be hidden away no matter how hard the
authorities tried. It is also worth noting that in the village case studies
that I know of, no death toll due to famine during the Great Leap
Forward is reported. These studies include Gao 1999a, Seybolt 1996,
Endicott (1989) and Hinton (1983). The two villages studied by Seybolt
and Endicott were in two of the worst-hit provinces, Sichuan and Henan."

Mobo Gao, Battle for China's Past pg 86

"Long after Mao’s death, Professor Han Dongping traveled to Shandong and Henan, where the worst famine conditions appeared in 1959-1961.

Han Dongping found that most of the farmers he questioned favored the first interpretation of events, rather than the second, that is to say they did not think Mao was mainly to blame for the problems they suffered during the Great Leap Forward.31. This is not to say that tragic errors did not occur. Dongping wrote of the introduction of communal eating in the rural communes. To begin with, this was a very popular policy among the peasants. Indeed, in 1958 many farmers report that they had never eaten so well in their lives before. The problem was that this new, seeming abundance led to carelessness in the harvesting and consumption of food. People seemed to have started assuming that the government could guarantee food supplies and that they did not have responsibility themselves for food security.

Given the poverty of China in the late 1950s this was an error that was bound to lead to serious problems and the Communist leadership should have taken quicker steps to rectify it. Three years of awful natural disasters made things much worse. Solidarity between commune members in the worst effected regions broke down as individuals tried to seize crops before they were harvested. Again, this practice made a bad situation worse. However, it must be stressed that the farmers themselves did not tell Han Dongping that errors in the organisation of communal eating were the main cause of the famine they suffered. Han Dongping, himself, severely criticizes Mao for the consequences of his “hasty” policies during the Great Leap Forward. However he also writes “I have interviewed numerous workers and farmers in Shandong, Henan, and I never met one farmer or worker who said that Mao was bad. I also talked to one scholar in Anhui who happened to grow up in rural areas and had been doing research in the Anhui, he never met one farmer that said Mao was bad nor a farmer who said Deng was good.” 32

It may be argued that Han Dongping’s, at least partial, sympathy for Mao might have colored his interpretation of what he heard from the peasants. However, it must also be noted that two of his grandparents died of hunger related diseases during the Great Leap Forward and Han Dongping often sounds more critical of Mao’s policies in this period than the peasants he is interviewing."

monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/