tpaine posted:what is everypony wearing right now.
Thanks for asking, tpaine. Today I'm wearing:
1 a Vikings ball cap that I'm going to wear every day for the next 4 months because I don't have a shower and can't wash my hair or shave my head
2. A green tshirt from the gap with bleach stains
3 carpenters pants that I think are carhartts but I'm not going to check
4 white gym socks
5 boots
Thank u for taking an interest! Have a good one.
swampman posted:a good adjective to describe tpaine would be "incurable"
T Paine puts up a tough front so that only people who really like him for him want to hang around and not people who just want to use him for his access to Florida, malt liquor.
overfire posted:ive been giving serious thought to joining cpgb. how are they with women as in are there a significant amount (i am woman)
The cpgb-ml takes not being a creepy brocialist party very seriously, that first link ufuk posted from comrade Joti is a good watch. If there is a study group in your area you can get in touch with any of the people listed here: http://www.cpgb-ml.org/index.php?secName=events to go along and meet and talk to people to see if you feel like the party is the place for u. Most groups try and meet once a week.
if theres no group, get in touch with info@cpgb-ml.org and maybe u could hjelp set up a study group in ur area if your a keen marxist leninist, even the main urban centre groups which are now very active with multiple study groups and stuff started small with just a few people meeting once a week
VegeTauren. Fawkesian. Ask Me About Illegals - MY OPINION Is "Illegal" But CORRECT and a Neces
also i didn't pick up joti being a non-white name and i 100% assumed it was just an unbearable hippie middle class white person with unbearable hippie middle class white parents. people from other backgrounds get a free pass imo, but white people with imported/reappropriated names should be thrown into a wood chipper probably
overfire posted:Ufuk_Surekli posted:
* that stuff like free love, political lesbianism, bra-burning etc are basically irrelevant to working class women - they don't help liberate women from juggling jobs, houses, childcare etc
i'm about to go out so i will check out the videos when i return, thank u, but i wanted to focus on a bit of what you said first
i am a lesbian, and political, but not a political lesbian if u see what i mean, and i'm finding it strange that political lesbianism was brought up at all (i am aware of the 70s roots of this term-of straight women attempting to escape patriarchy by "becoming" "lesbians" which resulted in a lot of crap about women "freeing themselves from the tyranny of the orgasm"- because they were forcing themselves to partner with other women, who they were not attracted to, and upset and betrayed lesbians who wanted relationships and sisterhood but not to be a straight woman's political statement. it got ugly and everyone's feelings got hurt and it didn't really last, i'm friends with older lesbians who were around then and they all agree it was a shit idea. afaik no one has bothered with PL since the 70s, it is now a relic)
i'm not sure of the usefulness of bringing up "bra burning" either (this never happened), as i do believe in the concept of women as a sex class and the bra burning myth was basically constructed around women objecting to their sexualisation. basically that paragraph (apart from free love which is shite) sounds like a wholesale dismissal of second wave feminism, which made mistakes, of which PL was certainly one, but did a lot of p great shit for working women too-ending marital rape, squatting buildings to create women's shelters, calling for the end of porn culture. a lot of the backlash we see now is a direct fightback against that stuff, and i think that absolutely impacts working class women. i'm for learning from the successes and mistakes of my older sisters, not dismissing them.or maybe i'm reading too much into it bc they were two v second wave ideas cited. i will watch the videos and decide for myself.
the rest sounds good though, i'm p much in agreement. might be time to check out a meeting. it's good that there is practical materialist analysis of working women's conditions as i am sick at heart at the pomo liberal crap that passes itself for feminism right now. i am not as well read as a lot of you guys on here, so i have been pretty terrified of doing anything but more reading until now but that aint gonna help anything much nohow if its all i do, so time to suck it up and get out there i guess.
(ps i've lurked since the LF days and well thanks for radicalising me and getting me on all kinds of watch lists i guess everyone. ur the best. i do wish discipline was still here though she was p cool and said a lot of smart stuff about feminism)
hey this is a great almost-first post.
you seem to really know what you're talking about -- do you have any cool/good book suggestions about the kind of feminism that you would subscribe to? my gf and i talk about it a lot & are really interested in intelligent explicitly-not-liberal feminist stuff but haven't really figured out where to turn exactly.
drwhat posted:my gf and i talk about it a lot
well that explains why this dang website isnt fixed yet
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Keven posted:I won't accept these wddp level identity politic shaming from rando Lfs. This forum is for big dicked millionaires.
chill out
As a positive, Bral puts infomative lectures on youtube which I really like. (shout out to the RSU and other Marxist anti-revisionist lectures).
Stalin.
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drwhat posted:overfire posted:
Ufuk_Surekli posted:
* that stuff like free love, political lesbianism, bra-burning etc are basically irrelevant to working class women - they don't help liberate women from juggling jobs, houses, childcare etc
i'm about to go out so i will check out the videos when i return, thank u, but i wanted to focus on a bit of what you said first
i am a lesbian, and political, but not a political lesbian if u see what i mean, and i'm finding it strange that political lesbianism was brought up at all (i am aware of the 70s roots of this term-of straight women attempting to escape patriarchy by "becoming" "lesbians" which resulted in a lot of crap about women "freeing themselves from the tyranny of the orgasm"- because they were forcing themselves to partner with other women, who they were not attracted to, and upset and betrayed lesbians who wanted relationships and sisterhood but not to be a straight woman's political statement. it got ugly and everyone's feelings got hurt and it didn't really last, i'm friends with older lesbians who were around then and they all agree it was a shit idea. afaik no one has bothered with PL since the 70s, it is now a relic)
i'm not sure of the usefulness of bringing up "bra burning" either (this never happened), as i do believe in the concept of women as a sex class and the bra burning myth was basically constructed around women objecting to their sexualisation. basically that paragraph (apart from free love which is shite) sounds like a wholesale dismissal of second wave feminism, which made mistakes, of which PL was certainly one, but did a lot of p great shit for working women too-ending marital rape, squatting buildings to create women's shelters, calling for the end of porn culture. a lot of the backlash we see now is a direct fightback against that stuff, and i think that absolutely impacts working class women. i'm for learning from the successes and mistakes of my older sisters, not dismissing them.or maybe i'm reading too much into it bc they were two v second wave ideas cited. i will watch the videos and decide for myself.
the rest sounds good though, i'm p much in agreement. might be time to check out a meeting. it's good that there is practical materialist analysis of working women's conditions as i am sick at heart at the pomo liberal crap that passes itself for feminism right now. i am not as well read as a lot of you guys on here, so i have been pretty terrified of doing anything but more reading until now but that aint gonna help anything much nohow if its all i do, so time to suck it up and get out there i guess.
(ps i've lurked since the LF days and well thanks for radicalising me and getting me on all kinds of watch lists i guess everyone. ur the best. i do wish discipline was still here though she was p cool and said a lot of smart stuff about feminism)
hey this is a great almost-first post.
you seem to really know what you're talking about -- do you have any cool/good book suggestions about the kind of feminism that you would subscribe to? my gf and i talk about it a lot & are really interested in intelligent explicitly-not-liberal feminist stuff but haven't really figured out where to turn exactly.
for real, everyone hates her because she is Queen Terf, but sheila jeffreys did the most clear, incisive, eloquent takedown of contemporary individualist liberal feminism i have ever read, and it made a lot of things fall into place for me (but i was primed by spending lots of my gay time in supposedly "radical" queer spaces and finding them to be full of narcissistic, identity-obsessed people whose political praxis stopped at how they dressed and what pronouns they used for each other. they had been completely poisoned by individualism, and there was none of the solidarity or consciousness that used to naturally be a part of the gay movement-the days of Lesbians and Gays Support the Miners or the massive anti section 28 protests were over-we've won, we can get married now, my pronouns are she-her, and i don't think class or sex is really a thing any more, do you?)
it was very instructive.
it was from there that i realised my feminism was completely out of sync with the rest of my political analysis, which is a weird sickness that seems to have infected feminism in a very acute and particular way. taking a firm, principled stance is now seen as moralising, as restricting women's "choice," which apparently happens in a vacuum. objecting to concepts that would intuitively be seen as harmful to women 20-30 years ago, within feminism as a movement at least, like prostitution or pornography, is now instead seen as a personal attack on the women trapped within them and equated with religious moralising. the real goal, which is liberating women from patriarchy, has been replaced with a bizarre, imaginary "autonomy"-anything a woman chooses is obviously good and right for that woman and should not be criticised. criticising a woman's choice is misogynistic.
and i hate that religion and the right seemingly has the monopoly on the concept of morality right now. communism for me is deeply moral. it is rooted in justice, in doing right for all oppressed peoples.
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=unpacking+queer+politics&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def
I can only talk from a brit, and even then mostly english perspective, but meeting and speaking to women who were around during the 70s-who attacked porn shops and set up the squats i mentioned-was the most informative thing for me, and can't really be replicated from reading. it made me feel simultaneously grateful for what they fought for and the gains they made and sad for how much of their strong, collectivist work has been replaced with individualist ideas of empowerment and choice "feminism," of how much ground has been conceded and lost. I was born somewhere between the second and third wave and it hurts to think of how much we are letting girl children down.
http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/8/e004996.full
http://www.victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/child-sexual-abuse-statistics
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a16343/tristan-taormino-feminist-porn-interview/
really if you can see how "individualism" and "choice" are plagues and apply that mindset to women's position relative to men globally and the modern feminist movement it's p intuitive.
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