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http://www.exposingtruth.com/new-un-report-finds-almost-no-industry-profitable-if-environmental-costs-were-included/

New UN report finds almost no industry profitable if environmental costs were included

posted by Michael Thomas April 9, 2015

If you haven’t been paying attention, I don’t blame you for at first not believing this. After all, companies go to great lengths to greenwash their image and present themselves as progressive and environmentally responsible, even while they turn your land to deserts and your oceans into dead zones. Unfortunately, as Mark Twain once famously said: “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

The truth is that our current system allows pretty much every corporation to externalize both environmental and social costs. In this article, we won’t even be touching on social costs. If you don’t know what cost externalization is, you can imagine it as making someone else pay part or all of your costs. For example, BP externalized the environmental costs of the Deepwater Horizon disaster by consuming all of the profits but making the government pay for anything beyond the most shoddy and superficial attempts at stopping the crisis.

A new report by Trucost on behalf of The Economics of Ecosystems and Biodiversity (TEEB) program sponsored by United Nations Environmental Program, examined the money earned by the biggest industries on this planet, and then contrasted them with 100 different types of environmental costs. To make this easier, they turned these 100 categories into 6: water use, land use, greenhouse gas emissions, waste pollution, land pollution, and water pollution.

The report found that when you took the externalized costs into effect, essentially NONE of the industries was actually making a profit. The huge profit margins being made by the world’s most profitable industries (oil, meat, tobacco, mining, electronics) is being paid for against the future: we are trading long term sustainability for the benefit of shareholders. Sometimes the environmental costs vastly outweighed revenue, meaning that these industries would be constantly losing money had they actually been paying for the ecological damage and strain they were causing.



In terms of land and water use: almost no companies are actually paying a price remotely comparable for what they are actually taking away from the ecosystems. Consider that fact that Nestle pumps water out of drought-ridden California without limits for an unannounced but extremely low price, and turns around and sells this exact same water back to those affected by the resulting droughts for approximate $4 billion profit per year (based on 2012 data).

The even scarier fact in all this is that the indirect costs “downstream” from the industries are actually even greater. Here are the top 5 sectors passing along insane costs:



If you didn’t notice yet: meat and coal are probably the largest offenders. If you look at table 2 again, you can see that cattle ranching in South America carries 18 times a higher environmental cost than all the revenue it brings in. Once you think about this, it is probably less surprising that 91% of Amazon rainforest destruction is fueled by increased animal agriculture.

How much money would these companies be losing if they were actually covering the environmental costs or paying to reduce their environmental impact? Well, the report also covers this:



So, now that it has become abundantly clear that our current regulatory system is corrupt/deficient, what do we do about it? Well, firstly we need to stop allowing companies to pretend that they are “environmentally responsible” when they are worse behaved than any child you have ever met. If someone came in and destroyed your kitchen to make you a piece of bread with butter, demanded money for it, and then bragged about being a “responsible cook,” it wouldn’t be any less ridiculous.

After we have stopped tolerating the bullshit, we need to seek and support actual solutions. We have to be willing to boycott and campaign against “cheap” products that are actually environmentally costly, as well as putting pressure onto governments to amend their regulations. Why should we expect companies to change if neither consumers or governments are forcing them?

To finish up, I will include what the Trucost report suggests for industries, investors, and governments. Please join in helping inform people about this situation, about these costs, and helping create more pressure to remove these “externalities.”



Love the recommendations at the end. It never stops blowing my mind how obvious the immortal science of Marxism-Leninism is and yet people try so hard to not see it. Life on Earth is doomed unless we implement global communism now. Happy Earth Day

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In Canada right now our social-democratic party is debating a civil society document called the "Leap Manifesto" which is basically like if random activists came close to wanting to plan the economy in a sustainable way. As sort of a surprise thing the party (NDP) decided to agree to its basic principles and study its implementation or something like that, and it caused the same party's government in Alberta to flip out. Anyway now we're going to have a new leadership race and its quite possible one of the candidates is going to be like "I'm a socialist and I endorse the Leap Manifesto", which I guess could turn into our version of Sanders/Corbyn. But.... yeah... They don't endorse the immortal technique of ML.
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Willy Wonka and the Monetary Equivalent of Labor Time
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Harry Potter and the United Nations Economics of Ecosystems and Biodiversity Program
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is that eliezer yudkowski's next major release?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3579878/Electric-hybrid-eco-friendly-cars-air-toxins-dirty-diesels-say-scientists.html

Achten said: 'We found that non-exhaust emissions, from brakes, tyres and the road, are far larger than exhaust emissions in all modern cars."

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http://projects.propublica.org/louisiana/
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swampman posted:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3579878/Electric-hybrid-eco-friendly-cars-air-toxins-dirty-diesels-say-scientists.html

Achten said: 'We found that non-exhaust emissions, from brakes, tyres and the road, are far larger than exhaust emissions in all modern cars."


I have serious misgivings about electric vehicles as some kind of green panacea for all the obvious reasons but this article is very misleading. Exhaust emissions are what contributes to climate change. The study just says it would be good to also try to bring non-exhaust emissions down by decreasing vehicle weight and so on.

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Hybrid engines put a new, electric twist on 'excelerationism'
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Petrol posted:

I have serious misgivings about electric vehicles as some kind of green panacea for all the obvious reasons but this article is very misleading. Exhaust emissions are what contributes to climate change. The study just says it would be good to also try to bring non-exhaust emissions down by decreasing vehicle weight and so on.

I approve of overly alarmist climate science

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swampman posted:

Petrol posted:

I have serious misgivings about electric vehicles as some kind of green panacea for all the obvious reasons but this article is very misleading. Exhaust emissions are what contributes to climate change. The study just says it would be good to also try to bring non-exhaust emissions down by decreasing vehicle weight and so on.

I approve of overly alarmist climate science


I guess we got totally different impressions from that article, the vibe I got was cynical defeatism (these supposedly better cars are just as bad, so why bother trying!). The Daily Mail (aka Mail AIDS) is not exactly known for alarmism when it comes to climate change

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the genocidal ruling classes are willfully inflicting climate change upon the global south because 1. they're just evil fascist bastards 2. a lot of them are delusional neoMalthusians 3. they fantasize about buiilding techno galt's gulch safety fuckbubbles or whatever amongst a sea of human suffering and environmental collapse
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Well the United States at least now claims to support an international effort to reduce carbon emissions, according to some headlines from the last climate conference in Paris or whatever. Of course this came out around the moment where the US already was seeing its per capita carbon footprint decreasing and China and India were increasing their carbon emissions.

So it looks like saving the environment and destroying the autonomy of the global south can work together now.
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i don't see any reason to point to nefarious intentional choices, the material reasons why capitalist nations would drag their feet on climate change as long and much as possible are pretty obvious. there is well over a trillion dollars worth of already capitalized fossil fuels in the ground, there was no way that wealth was going to be willingly extinguished because it just risks the wellbeing of people living in 2060
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lmao, were all dead

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someone with talent please put kenshiro doing a pressure point kill at the planet earth at the beginning of that gif please
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that was too good of an idea not to do

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So the entire beaufort sea (the sea N of alaska) just broke up over the course of last month, about a month earlier than it "should"



if u need a sense of scale think >600km


heres what it looks like now https://lance.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/imagery/subsets/?mosaic=Arctic

(its in the top left area, where you can see all that blue that shouldnt be there now)

Arctic Sea Ice Blog posted:

Astonishing, mindblowing, frightening even. May is the month when melt ponds start to form on the ice, pools of water that lower the albedo and cause the ice to melt faster, leading to open water that absorbs solar radiation and warms up. The open water is already there in the Beaufort Sea. Look at all that open water!

No other year comes even close to it, as can be seen on the ASIG comparison of sea ice concentration maps, or on this sea ice extent graph (based on AMSR2 data, provided by Wipneus)




read it here with more scary graphs about how we are all already dead: http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2016/05/beaufort-under-relentless-high-pressure.html#more


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the hand of franklin is now giving us all the finger
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a friend's husband is doing an arctic oceanography phd studying under one of the world's top specialists, and for the past 10 years or so the conservative canadian government banned that guy from saying anything in public about how fucked it is. so, over some beers, i got the scoop: we are all already dead. it is all worse than we ever hear about.

supposedly the liberals are unmuzzling the scientists but i don't know how quickly they'll get around to letting the arctic guys tell us how dead we are.

rip, everyone!
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edit: note the 1st image has as the average 1981-2010, not a pre-industrialisation mean lol

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large parts of central africa AND the amazon have no temperature at all, i.e. absolute zero. global warming is a lie
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karphead posted:

that was too good of an idea not to do


oh my god

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echos of shennong
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tears posted:

lmao, were all dead



Wow this is an insanely scary gif of tempature increasing less than a degree over 150 years or whatever.

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Speaking as an interior Alaskan snow melt was basically done a month ago which means this year is going to be completely insane.
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Keven posted:

Speaking as an interior Alaskan snow melt was basically done a month ago which means this year is going to be completely insane.

Yeah whats it lookin like up there chupa

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It's supposed to hit 80 in Fairbanks today which is like... July weather. I'm working in the mountains and snow melt will be done in a week probably, it's hit 60. my historic data pont for environmental paperwork is a June 17 ground thaw.
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Scrree posted:

echos of shennong



Thats a cool thing, thanks

compare the drought predicter:

shennong posted:




with rite now:



shennong posted:

oh my god we all gonna die la

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At risk populations as well as 3rd world marginalized groups are going to die, you will complain about water restrictions and your energy bill.
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Keven posted:

At risk populations as well as 3rd world marginalized groups are going to die, you will complain about water restrictions and your energy bill.



i will also complain that the lack of rain means the grass wont grow and the price of feed increeses massivly and i wont have a job anymore as the land withers and dies underneath us and am driven to the city in search of work, although being blessed to live where I do we have a far better chance of dodging that bullet too *crosses fingers*

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if u havent read hansen et als recent good paper about how much worse things are than most people think and how we really need communism id recomend it: http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/16/3761/2016/acp-16-3761-2016.pdf



worlds ending, final crisis of capitalism, kewl times to be alive; and yeah, abrupt climate change is pretty dialectical, in other news we're very close the our first "blue ocean event" in the arctic which would signal the death knell for the entirty of arctic sea ice on a very rapid timescale due to the massivly lower albedo of open water compared to ice which would see the arctic ocean heat up v quickly in a crazy strong feedback loop preventing the formation of new ice.

a development in which the qualitative changes occur not gradually, but rapidly and abruptly, taking the form of a leap from one state to another; they occur not accidentally but as the natural result of an accumulation of imperceptible and gradual quantitative changes.






here's the exponential decline of arctic sea ice plunging down down down to that magic blue ocean stage. rip sea ice and its reflective power.

I dont know how interested people r in the apocalyptic science but heres where all the nerds go to chat about arctic sea ice: http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1493.1100.html


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Just to keep people updated with the super serious fucking shit that is going down in the arctic right fucking now, inducing pant-shitting in the three people in the world who pay attention to this stuff:

There is a very high chance that we are entering the 10 days that fucked the world of arctic ice trainwrecks

heres the temp anomaly over the arctic predicted by the 18th:



and heres the forecast for heat anomaly on the 20th, so we now have predicted to have multi-day greater than 0c temps across almost the entire damn arctic in may, something which even in the massivly warm years in over the past decade has never happened until around late june/early july time and which in the long term is a rare mid-summer event:



i'll let others explain it better:

(http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1493.1200.html )

we're p much witnessing the greatest climatic carcrash of the last 100,000 years, hold on to ur hats

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http://www.wsj.com/video/melting-arctic-ice-clears-way-for-cruise-ships/618F92C7-6447-461C-AB2A-95FF289BE3AF.html
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