This Nazi is closing out Left Forum this year. Guess me and some comrades are gonna have to go pass out flyers in front of the venue.
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COINTELBRO posted:At least he doesn't pretend that millions of refugees will be integrated or whatever credulous liberal bs the left is peddling. It will just fuel the ethnic nationalists and there's nothing anyone can do. I think this is a limit of our understanding of fascism too, we tend to say that fascism is a (petty)bourgeois endeavor but actually fascism is a mass movement. A popular, violent mass movement that also appeals to proles, peasantry, all layers based on the primacy of racial feeling over anything else, while totally negating class struggle (the non-Strasserist version at least)
I don't think this is a good analysis. Trump really only appeals to the labor aristocracy, which wants power, and if power means paramilitary violence they're okay with that. Anti-Muslim racism is an excuse, that justifies doing evil things out of class interest.
COINTELBRO posted:At least he doesn't pretend that millions of refugees will be integrated or whatever credulous liberal bs the left is peddling. It will just fuel the ethnic nationalists and there's nothing anyone can do.
Oh well, wrap it up communailures, the nazis got this.
You have posted some pretty bad opinions before but this really leaps out at me. "The left" is claiming that "millions of refugees will be integrated"?? What the fuck is this shit. Your latent white supremacy is showing
Petrol posted:"This may shock you," no your nazism doesnt shock me old man, and thanks for reminding me to finish my big effortpost about you
can't wait for this
glomper_stomper posted:
haha holy shit
here is a podcast of a lecture at the LSE promoting the book. http://www.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/videoAndAudio/channels/publicLecturesAndEvents/player.aspx?id=3475
2 minutes in and he has already offered a disclaimer that calling him a fascist is intellectually lazy and dangerous because it doesnt mean anything and dont you realise there are proper right wing anti immigrant groups out there?? anyway now to talk about how yes israel is bad but palestinian honour killings,
COINTELBRO posted:At least he doesn't pretend that millions of refugees will be integrated or whatever credulous liberal bs the left is peddling. It will just fuel the ethnic nationalists and there's nothing anyone can do. I think this is a limit of our understanding of fascism too, we tend to say that fascism is a (petty)bourgeois endeavor but actually fascism is a mass movement. A popular, violent mass movement that also appeals to proles, peasantry, all layers based on the primacy of racial feeling over anything else, while totally negating class struggle (the non-Strasserist version at least)
Looks like five people here need to read Settlers
Lykourgos posted:he has a shit voice and looks like some idiot dressed up a mouldy sack of potatoes in human clothing
Lol
xipe posted:
the funny thing is that this is pretty damn close to the redkahina/tarzie/whoever rhetoric, starting by making a claim that's patently false/absurd (vaccine/autism link, autistic people as a nazi plot, etc) and then others walking it back to something well known, much more specific and unrelated (e.g. depo-provera testing) combined with "do you deny that the CIA would do such a thing?" give or take some support of right-wing ethnic nationalists along the way except in this case they have some token anti-US sentiment
xipe posted:what do u think about the abbasid caliphate and their preservation (and strong claims to inheritance/continuation) of the greek classics?
Don't know don't care, but very doubtful at the claim of inheritance or continuation. If you're an Abrahamist, you dropped the ball, full stop. At best the continuation is likely a bizarre mythological perversion.
EmanuelaBrolandi posted:If it weren't for ibn rushd you wouldn't even know who aristotle was so...
Not true. Given sufficient time, I will meet Aristotle in person and we will discuss ethics over a cup of tea. Plato will be there, too. It is inevitable.
On a more immediate note, it seems odd to credit some group of people on the basis that they didn't burn all the classical texts. As if the Abrahamists should be thanked for not executing their philosophical hostage.
xipe posted:
This is a good direction for print journalism... tweeting every article and editorial line by line
Lykourgos posted:On a more immediate note, it seems odd to credit some group of people on the basis that they didn't burn all the classical texts. As if the Abrahamists should be thanked for not executing their philosophical hostage.
They didn't just not burn them, they did the first translations from the ancient Greek
EmanuelaBrolandi posted:Lykourgos posted:On a more immediate note, it seems odd to credit some group of people on the basis that they didn't burn all the classical texts. As if the Abrahamists should be thanked for not executing their philosophical hostage.
They didn't just not burn them, they did the first translations from the ancient Greek
Build the translators a statue then. What do you want me to say? The 6th through 3rd century BC in Hellas and China saw the height of human achievement in theology, politics, ethics, and several other fields. That's what I'm looking at; Abrahamism is pure decline, and Chinese philosophy went to shit upon unification and buddhist influence.
c_man posted:xipe posted:
https://storify.com/cordeliers/obscureobjet-exposes
the funny thing is that this is pretty damn close to the redkahina/tarzie/whoever rhetoric, starting by making a claim that's patently false/absurd (vaccine/autism link, autistic people as a nazi plot, etc) and then others walking it back to something well known, much more specific and unrelated (e.g. depo-provera testing) combined with "do you deny that the CIA would do such a thing?" give or take some support of right-wing ethnic nationalists along the way except in this case they have some token anti-US sentiment
tarzie didn't say anything about vaccines/autism and he didn't endorse rk's views on it. i watched that whole clusterfuck when it happened.
as far as obscureobjet's summary of zizek, i think a lot of people get hung up on whether someone, in playing out their backwards views, are conscious activists working for reactionary agencies, or if their views and causes are sublimated enough that they see themselves merely speaking/writing spontaneously from a place of genuine conviction. and what i always come back to is wondering if that's a real issue or just semantics if it all achieves the same result. and how hard is it for someone to be persuaded to operate fluidly in either mode so that the distinction becomes moot? in any case, i thought obscureobjet was right on the money.
icecrystal posted:zizek really does have shit to answer for in terms of past political affiliations. his alleged status as manchurian candidate isn't wholly to do with his wacky theorizing.
idk anything about american cultural studies, but how different is he from the norm there? are the other touchstones that different? my impression is that neitsche and heidegger and basically the only "continental philosophy" that gets taught and shulamith firestone is taken seriously
Lykourgos posted:EmanuelaBrolandi posted:Lykourgos posted:On a more immediate note, it seems odd to credit some group of people on the basis that they didn't burn all the classical texts. As if the Abrahamists should be thanked for not executing their philosophical hostage.
They didn't just not burn them, they did the first translations from the ancient Greek
Build the translators a statue then. What do you want me to say? The 6th through 3rd century BC in Hellas and China saw the height of human achievement in theology, politics, ethics, and several other fields. That's what I'm looking at; Abrahamism is pure decline, and Chinese philosophy went to shit upon unification and buddhist influence.
hey lykourgos have you read any GEM de Croix like Class struggle in the ancient greek world?