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Donald Trump said on Fox and Friends that he is A-OKAY with Lena Dunham moving to Canada if he wins and thinks it's a good idea for her to do it anyways.
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clean sweep for trump lol
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"Holy Crap, Lena Dunham Was Executed on DeathTube?" The Top 3 Ways Her Skull Shape Indicated Incurable Canadianism
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when trump becomes president i see myself having another break down and just laughing to myself uncontrollably every twenty minutes or so for the rest of my life. i'm actually kind of starting to do that right now.

i dont want help
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i love it i love it i don't care
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i shoved the working class into a bag and pushed it down the stairs
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it's funny to read the bernie people on my facebook who have built hildog up into this singular figure of horror and corruption and it's like yes she's got the blood of an unfathomable number of libyans on her hands but, like, you know that's how us presidents always are, right? but they don't because they're children
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the abject emptiness of all the options this time around has actually really gotten to the mainstream though. even gawker wrote a thing today saying they are all bad and will kill people equally so don't bother participating in voting and stop lending the veneer of legitimacy to choosing which face to put in front of the machine of death and oppression (paraphrased, uh, slightly)

it's cool. acceleration now
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president donald trump! in my lifetime. and everyone will have to pretend that his sentences are coherent! ahahahahahahahahahahaha lmao
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if youre freaking out about donald trump please chill out its kind of embarrassing. ty
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drwhat posted:

i shoved the working class into a bag and pushed it down the stairs


i crashed the economy with my stock trades. i don't care

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I'm white and don't own stocks and too old to draft. pretty sure whoever wins i'll be able to get by without too much hassle. privilege fucking rules.
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for the record i always thought trump was going to be the frontrunner of the republicans barring some catastrophe. he had the money, the name recognition and was the rude dude with the 'tude that whitey likes. liberals thinking they could mock him out of the frontrunner position was idiotic. republicans don't care about liberal mockery and to the extent they hear it at all it's a source of outrage to them that someone would make fun of dear nancy reagan or whatever
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the leaders of both parties probably thought he would never make it to the primaries because he ran for president like five or six times already and thats what happened before. i didnt pay attention or care which worked out great for me
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but like im pretty sure that liberals mocked him mercilessly as soon as he announced and started talking about it because they thought it would be a great idea to tie his statements to the republican party for a few months not because they were scared of him
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a trump presidency is inevitable for a nation that not only elected ronald fucking reagan but continues to idolise his subnormal fascist sockpuppet ass
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you could even say it was written in the stars. the reagans sure would have
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trump never really ran for president before. he talked about it a bunch but i dont think he ever actually had a campaign
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to me the trump thing has a couple important aspects, it suggests a lack of real support in the u.s. for the imperialist project required to maintain the current order of the world & a lack of even tacit sure-we-trust-you support anymore for the whole idea of shafting u.s. workers because thats just how the world works to make all of us rich later. but im an optimist & also i already see every major candidate as white supremacist by virtue of running for president of the united states of failmerica & we may be a couple election cycles out from that as the majority opinion a heh heh.
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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

trump never really ran for president before. he talked about it a bunch but i dont think he ever actually had a campaign



when i was a kid i used to pay attention to him every time he did it because he always had a wacky melange of opinions. like he used to be majorly pro choice.

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I don't think any of the very slightly critical things Trump or his supporters say about the American imperial project should be viewed as anything other than oppositional positioning made to contrast himself with Teh Establishment
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glomper_stomper posted:

i agree with the lack of tacit support for free trade deals but i still stand by the understanding that trump isn't necessarily dismissive of the US imperialist project, he's primarily challenging the particular method of profit extraction that doesn't benefit the troops or taxpayers quite as well as he would have it.



imo he's suggesting the u.s. maintain or even improve its current way of life (not standard of living, but way of life) while getting rid of that project. which won't work. but some sectors that must be mobilized, assuming you're not third-worldist, are going to have to figure that one out by working through the conversation publicly at least. and i don't think that's accelerationism although accelerationists wouldn't oppose it. i think i mentioned this on here, i agree with goatstein that the line here is more like, we need to get those lazy third-world freeloaders off our dime, and to me thats always a way for imperialists to say "we know crisis is looming and we are scared as shit this one will break us".

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thirdplace posted:

I don't think any of the very slightly critical things Trump or his supporters say about the American imperial project should be viewed as anything other than oppositional positioning made to contrast himself with Teh Establishment



so? what does that matter?

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i mean no he's not a marxist leninist anti imperialist for realsies no take backs obviously. bernie sanders is not a socialist and wishing doesn't make things so, i'm talking about what support for his positions means because i guarantee you no one saw it coming as it appears in the polls, every time he offers a position like this everyone in the bourgeois debate club were absolutely fuck sure that he was about to nose dive because You Don't Say That Then People Think You're Crazy. like saying you're socialist, that would obviously ban you from a primary win in the united states am i right?
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cars posted:

so? what does that matter?

because it suggests that the actual policy is irrelevant to both him and his supporters, it's just a meaningless means to the end of "we can trust this billionaire new yorker who has nothing in common with us neither culturally nor materially because he went to a DC cocktail party and slit the throat of a sacred cow and got blood all over everyone's tuxes"

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okay but how is it irrelevant that it hasn't sunk him if what i'm talking about is a lack of support for it? i'm not talking about support for ending it, i'm talking about lack of support for it.
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people who focus on what trump is saying here need to look away from the spectacle for a second imo, it's what he is getting away with and why.
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thirdplace posted:

because it suggests that the actual policy is irrelevant to both him and his supporters, it's just a meaningless means to the end of "we can trust this billionaire new yorker who has nothing in common with us neither culturally nor materially because he went to a DC cocktail party and slit the throat of a sacred cow and got blood all over everyone's tuxes"


thats true but the actual policy of a president and the things they said in the runup to the elections have basically zero correlation in basically every case. i dont think trump is any different from anyone else here. that being said you can learn real things from how people react to the empty promises being made, and the promises do have real effects on the way people organize themselves, even if it's not clear how they relate directly. like, from the trump campaign you can learn that there's a growing white supremacist contingent that's dissatisfied with what it's been getting recently and that the trump campaign is bringing it into the open and helping it grow. this doesn't really say much about what trump would do as president though.

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'ee makes me laff
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cars posted:

i mean no he's not a marxist leninist anti imperialist for realsies no take backs obviously. bernie sanders is not a socialist and wishing doesn't make things so,


are you really equivocating between sanders supporters and trump supporters, and suggesting they are just as likely to support anti-imperialism, anti-racism, etc given the Right Organizing Tactics? if so this strikes me as absurd. i guess i keep going back to the various BAR pieces on trump/sanders splitting the parties and even they pretty explicitly describe trump supporters as uniformly white supremacist and not some kind of organizational opportunity in the same way that they sometimes talk about the sanders campaign.

edit: vvv ok that makes much more sense vvv

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glomper_stomper posted:

i basically agree with that and goatstein's stuff about support being more about the third-world freeloaders or whatever. i never doubted the potential was there in trump's supporters but, as with sanders, i'm not sure how anyone's supposed to seize the opportunity to turn social chauvinists into Real Marxist-Leninists at this point.



me neither, i think that would be impossible right now and if anyone offers you a plan to do it smell hard and you will smell shit. what i'm saying is, these things have been laid bare and obviously trump didn't magic them up in a few months any more than putin magicked up russian identity in ukraine in a few months, and yet both of those are the semi-official position of both bourgeois parties in the united states and when something like that happens, history is our friend and marxist is friend to all children of history.

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c_man posted:

are you really equivocating between sanders supporters and trump supporters, and suggesting they are just as likely to support anti-imperialism, anti-racism, etc given the Right Organizing Tactics? if so this strikes me as absurd.



the fact that it strikes you as absurd should answer that question for you