swampman posted:I'm not typing "xir" or "xhe" or some other made up word, I'm typing they. It's a pretty common substitution so maybe you can just get over
Well you know I think using "they" when you're not sure what to use is pretty good but what's the reasoning behind using it for an old white cis guy like Bernie instead of just the obvious "he"? I mean it no longer seems sort of sneering like the xhe stuff does but I don't really understand it.
Urbandale posted:i mean i saw your other post on this and eh. it seemed like you missed it was talking about what people in a closed primary state, registered to another party should be doing. the article was published after the voter registration date has passed, meaning we cant actually be advocating party members should register dem or whatever it was you claimed in your other post. this is all occurring in a state where the party doesnt have ballot access anyway, and we're doing it alongside a number of other socialist groups.
witness the logical pretzel he undergoes to just not admit his group endorsed bernie sanders, which only their twisted logic tries to avoid admitting. sad!
http://www.liberationnews.org/registered-democrats-vote-sanders-n-y-primary/
that's not the same as saying bernie sanders should be president or that sanders program is something socialists should support.
if the difference sounds academic it's only because of a failure to distinguish between sanders himself as a bourgeois politician and the mass movement that is coalescing behind him.
"While Sanders’ own program is close to New Deal liberalism, his campaign has become a vehicle for millions of people to openly question the capitalist system and popularly discuss socialism."
it's also worth noting that at this point bernie sanders will probably not be the democratic nominee. that that better he does before the democratic party crowns clinton, the more damage will be done to the democratic party. i think this is a key passage from the 'endorsement':
A Convention showdown — in which the Democratic Party establishment attempts to steal the nomination from a more popular left-wing alternative — could lead to a significant rupture in U.S. electoral politics.
is it right? idk, but it's not the same as saying that bernie sanders should be the next president or that he represents socialism.
ilmdge posted:swampman posted:I'm not typing "xir" or "xhe" or some other made up word, I'm typing they. It's a pretty common substitution so maybe you can just get over
Well you know I think using "they" when you're not sure what to use is pretty good but what's the reasoning behind using it for an old white cis guy like Bernie instead of just the obvious "he"? I mean it no longer seems sort of sneering like the xhe stuff does but I don't really understand it.
It's a form of self improvement, I'm practicing gender neutrality in my writing and speech until I don't have to think about it. "They" is innocuous in almost every context. Plus, I don't buy into the notion that we "know" celebrities. For what it's worth I think I did use "he" recently when referring to porn consumers generally... because they're men.
Petrol posted:Does anyone know where i can bet on trump winning the presidency? I want to profit from the continuing collapse of the USA
you could ask around the local dingo arenas
Urbandale posted:i mean i saw your other post on this and eh. it seemed like you missed it was talking about what people in a closed primary state, registered to another party should be doing. the article was published after the voter registration date has passed, meaning we cant actually be advocating party members should register dem or whatever it was you claimed in your other post. this is all occurring in a state where the party doesnt have ballot access anyway, and we're doing it alongside a number of other socialist groups.
I'm wondering why, when a registered Democrat in the state of New York stumbles across the PSL website, the message you're trying to give them is that yes, the Democratic Party is okay, and that this election system has some revolutionary potential. Go ahead and vote for Bernie Sanders. Is this a stand that needs to be taken? Is this a position that needs to be articulated? Are these dozen or so registered Democrats who stumble across the website, who were considering voting for Hillary Clinton or not voting at all, worth addressing to "get out the vote", or would the party be better off critiquing something... else, maybe.
Who is PSL's audience, anyway?
Is this the best way to address them? Does a party that wants to be a mass organization feel like it's wise and necessary to address the dozen or so democrats stumbling across the website in search of primary electoral guidance in our imperial bourgeois democracy, or is it perhaps wiser and more necessary to address the hundreds of millions in the US who do not have any sort of participation in the process?
postposting posted:it's also worth noting that at this point bernie sanders will probably not be the democratic nominee. that that better he does before the democratic party crowns clinton, the more damage will be done to the democratic party. i think this is a key passage from the 'endorsement':
A Convention showdown — in which the Democratic Party establishment attempts to steal the nomination from a more popular left-wing alternative — could lead to a significant rupture in U.S. electoral politics.
is it right? idk, but it's not the same as saying that bernie sanders should be the next president or that he represents socialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention#Nomination
Something tells me that just proving the two-party system is a sham doesn't seem to move a whole lot forward...
dipshit420 posted:don't lie to us, goat. we know your all-consuming passion for the angriest whopper
These are my favorite. They make the caustic diarrhea that i experience after eating BK even more painful. Just thew ay i like it
also wb rw
postposting posted:revolutions don't just happen all at once, they're more like tipping over a vending machine. you got to rock it back and forth a few times to build up some momentum first before you can get access to the sweet treats (fixed capital, in our case) within.
also wb rw
finally, an analogy that appeals to me
MarianneSadd posted:Urbandale posted:i mean i saw your other post on this and eh. it seemed like you missed it was talking about what people in a closed primary state, registered to another party should be doing. the article was published after the voter registration date has passed, meaning we cant actually be advocating party members should register dem or whatever it was you claimed in your other post. this is all occurring in a state where the party doesnt have ballot access anyway, and we're doing it alongside a number of other socialist groups.
I'm wondering why, when a registered Democrat in the state of New York stumbles across the PSL website, the message you're trying to give them is that yes, the Democratic Party is okay, and that this election system has some revolutionary potential. Go ahead and vote for Bernie Sanders. Is this a stand that needs to be taken? Is this a position that needs to be articulated? Are these dozen or so registered Democrats who stumble across the website, who were considering voting for Hillary Clinton or not voting at all, worth addressing to "get out the vote", or would the party be better off critiquing something... else, maybe.
Who is PSL's audience, anyway?
Is this the best way to address them? Does a party that wants to be a mass organization feel like it's wise and necessary to address the dozen or so democrats stumbling across the website in search of primary electoral guidance in our imperial bourgeois democracy, or is it perhaps wiser and more necessary to address the hundreds of millions in the US who do not have any sort of participation in the process?
If a registered Dem came to the PSL's website and came away thinking the Democratic Party is the way forward when every other thing we've published on the party is lambasting them I suppose I'd say they came looking for a conclusion they had already arrived at and engaged in pretty selective reading.
As for the PSL desiring to be a mass org we are hardly the DSA. I dunno if that statement was meant as a slight or not but we follow the Bolshevik's on the wide vs deep party issue.
As for registered dems going on the website and taking the position seriously i mean its possible? I assume more people will read the passed-out flyer version though. As for guessing the piece's audience, I'm not sure. Maybe people who were mad at FRSO for their line in 08? Nods to obscure left shit aside, I think I haven't addressed the question about efficacy but i dunno if you meant that as a serious issue you had with it
In the meanwhile, you have just spent the last 30 minutes trying to coddle a Bernie Sanders fan who will probably end up voting for Hillary Clinton while a black man is boiled alive in a Miami prison and some kids are dying of thirst in black site concentration camps along the US-Mexico border. Also, many millions of taxpayers are disenfranchised and so can't vote anyway.
I'm sincere in that I don't want to offend, but I ask again, and with all due respect: who is PSL's audience? Are they trying to woo red-baiting pundits and their DSA hipster friends, or the working class? Is that who they think is going to bring them forward?
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