tears posted:

if god isnt real how do you explain that u live in helll???

Because I touch myself at night, obviously

tears posted:

c_man, my problem is not with the big bang or any other individual part of scientific knowledge, its with “science” as a whole as operating under capitalism and its smug sense of self satisfaction and confidence in its own infallibility. Also this isn't an attack on you, im just pissed off

Let me explain my irritation with my fellow know-it-all scientists. What we have currently is a pretty robust theory developed from observation of the universe from our little speck of rock that the universe originated from a single point and has expanded, galaxies, suns, systems and planets arose, quantity transformed into quality, they cooled, produced the conditions necessary for carbon life and then we came along, the only known arrangement of matter that has developed consciousness of itself, quite probably the lowest, least complex arrangement of matter that can gain consciousness of itself.

And thats crux 1, we are fucking dumb, we think slowly, or brains are pretty crap really, we get steadily less good at processing, understanding and being fully conscious of things as they become more removed from our immediate material existence, in both time and space, as scales become larger or smaller away from the scales we have evolved at, and yet we look out into the whole damn universe, with our consciousness which we are ever so proud of and a few of us declaim to the rest: this is how it is, we have the answers, we've solved it.

Well, what have they solved? They haven't solved shit, they've just recounted observations: the universe arose from a single point, it expanded, here’s how galaxies are formed etc. You can literally watch that shit through a telescope by looking at galaxies in various states of formation. And they haven't even got past the observation stage: dark energy, dark matter etc, these are just ways of saying some-thing’s happening and there must be something there but we can't observe it, and this isn't insignificant numbers here, this is saying we can't yet account for ~83% of the matter in the universe! The sum of the entire knowledge of the human species is minuscule compared to the sum of all that is to be known, and to not recognise this is weak and conceited, humans throughout every stage of history have thought they were approaching knowing everything, understanding everything, and we look back and laugh, and in the future, as now, humans will look back at 2016 and their “end of historyscience” bigheadedness and laugh.

Everything else beyond the little we know is pure speculation, on the universal and beyond-universal scale its philosophy: try asking a physicist on the origin of the big bang, or what dark matter is, or where the universe is heading, or other dimensions beyond our pitiful weak consciousness, or on the similarities between the super-galaxy web and the human brain and they will at best go “hmmm, yeah, that's interesting, but its more philosophy than science”. The universe as we know it is just the sum of our observations from our planet using crude ass tools filtered through our crude senses into our crude brain and we're just not very good at consciousness of scales and concepts that our outside our immediate material circumstances, we're just not very intelligent, and so our understanding of the universe is piss-poor

you should read more about the marxist science tradition going from engels thru lenin into the USSR (idk very much about the scientific tradition in the PRC). the whole point of science isn't that you stop having questions, or that you "solve" anything once and for all. it's a dialectical process by which the analysis of questions leads to new and different questions, but which leave their mark in the mediation of the material and social reproduction of society. the USSR did a lot of astronomical research but the general consensus was that questions or statements about the origins of the universe or parts of the universe that we are incapable of observing were not considered serious scientific topics. what mattered was being able to understand what you were able to observe, and what you could learn from that. from this perspective the concepts of "all that can be known" or "solving" something once and for all (fash) is empty. what's important is that the process of moving from problem to problem results in material (or social) developments that, in becoming integrated in the reproduction of society, generate a positive development in the lives of the people who worked towards that development. now, this isn't what happens under capitalism either but it's also really far from worrying about the Final Solution to Life, The Universe, and Everything

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

The only science i need is in the Koran, Mein Kamp, and the writings of Stalin.

I find Mein Kampf to be an anti-semitic work that is anti-communist in nature. Unfortunately I can't recommend it.

Red_Canadian posted:

tears posted:
the sun is a god and if you dont believe that try living without its benevolent heat and light which it provides to us

I've been promoting a resurgence of sol invictus for a while. Awesome name, and the sun as god has basically all the qualities one could want from a god.

it can't judge us and tell us we've been good or bad and then punish or reward us

Red_Canadian posted:

Exactly. If God had human qualities, we would still only be the tiny bacteria in one of his thousand Petri dishes. Why would he involve himself in any of our individual business? Perhaps he's (it's) raising the temperature to try and eliminate this particular bacteria.
But like I said, an uncaring god is better. It looks on us all and sits in silent judgement. The only judgement that matters is of future generations, and only in the aggregate sense.

Johnny Fiveaces powered down the magnabike with a not quite unhearble hum and checked his chronometer. “Damn.” he hissed threw his clinched teeth which were surrounded by the stubble of five days where in he had not shaven himself at all. It was almost chromodawn at Clashpoint. Alreddy the sun was sitting Walliston’s Hill ah blaze like so much molten meddle or a coin, gyreating in the air, tossed there by the uncaring hand of an imaginary god that doesn’t exist, borne from the interior minds of the hobbled masses.

babyhueypnewton posted:

There are entire fields of science which are pure religion: economics, political science, psychology. This is simply ignored by science fanatics. There are large swaths of biology, chemistry, botany, sociology, pharmacology, neuroscience, etc. which are completely useless because they have touched capitalism. Every science has theories which are clearly flawed but remain academically supported because of academia-based profit motives. Even the 'good' sciences, which are good because of their critical distance from the ideological hegemony of capitalism and the necessity for legitimate technological and scientific advancement, are never so distant that they are not warped in some way. Every once in a while we have a thread where someone with a specialization talks about why X theory is Nazi junk science which remains useful for Empire. I think the last one, besides my own, was about the fMRI tea leaves neuroscience uses to justify neo-phrenology. I'm sure someone could write about the religion of game theory which poisons a variety of faith-based sciences.

Bablu posted:

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:
https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/49530/20272_ftp.pdf;jsessionid=796C2AD58F18398F9C923BD72407DFC6?sequence=1

An obituary written by his student and postwar successor,
as Director of the Second Anatomy Institute in
Vienna, Hayek (1955)

For example, in
research by the above-mentioned Pernkopf pupil,
Heinrich von Hayek

relation of the god of liberal economics, maybe? he had a brother called heinz von hayek who was professor of anatomy at vienna, maybe he changed his name

tears posted:

a huge statue of dick dawkins for me to poop on

Print outs of your posts will suffice