jools posted:COINTELBRO posted:Tito was definitely better than most Soviet statesmen (and weirdos like Hoxha, though he valiantly tried to fix a retarded country like Albania.)
Yugoslavia was more interesting and vibrant than the USSR as well in terms of cultural products, management of ethny, and economic policy.This is why they had unemployment in the double digits and collapsed into war within ten years of him dying
i don't think it had much to do with Tito
COINTELBRO posted:When you have a NATO conspiracy against you, Slovene crypto-nazis with Poland Syndrome aspiring to be Central European (despite already being the richest in Yugoslavia, but that wasn't enough...), plus Muslim aggression despite Tito's thankless attempts to placate them and never retaliating... it was a pretty good run. Tito was as much a martyr as any 20th century politician could be.
but how is Tito a martyr?
die for
boob
Munich, March 21 – (Stankovic) — TITO has chosen Enver HOXHA’s namesake in Yugoslavia, Fadil HOXHA, a member of the Presidency of the Socialist Alliance’s regional executive in Pristina, to counteract “the slander campaign by Albanian leaders against Yugoslavia.”
At the plenary meeting of the Yugoslav front organization of
the autonomous Kosmet (Kosovo & Metohia) region Fadil HOXHA attacked Enver HOXHA’s speech of Feb. 13 which charged that the Yugoslav leaders have pursued policy of destroying national character of the Albanian minority in Yugoslavia.
Following his speech the plenum passed a resolution protesting
against the assumption by Enver HOXHA of the right to represent the
interest of the Albanians in Yugoslavia and expressing loyalty to
the Yugoslav federal government. Fadil HOXHA also said that the
anti-Yugoslav campaign in Albania was aimed at causing distrust among the Albanains in Yugoslavia toward TITO.
In his answer to Albania’s (Enver) HOXHA, Yugoslavia’s (Fadil)
HOXHA said that his namesake’s “stories about denationalization
have no other aim but to cause distrust among the Albanians in
Yugoslavia toward the socialist country in which they live."
http://espressostalinist.com/2011/02/14/yugoslavias-hoxha-vs-albanias-hoxha/
getfiscal posted:if albania and bulgaria had joined yugoslavia... with enver as leader after tito's mysterious death... imagine the 21st century.... tsipras could be world president
how would tsipras go about selling the entire planet to foreign banks?
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getfiscal posted:most of the warsaw pact countries ended up taking on big foreign debts, including eventually the USSR.
Probably a naive question, but why didn't they just take the loans and never repay them?
WildStalins posted:what was the tito-stalin split all about anyway?
molly crabapple
Soviet_Salami posted:getfiscal posted:most of the warsaw pact countries ended up taking on big foreign debts, including eventually the USSR.
Probably a naive question, but why didn't they just take the loans and never repay them?
because they had ongoing commitments they needed money for and also a lot of countries did default (russia and mexico are famous examples) but it can really hurt your ability to borrow in future.
Soviet_Salami posted:getfiscal posted:most of the warsaw pact countries ended up taking on big foreign debts, including eventually the USSR.
Probably a naive question, but why didn't they just take the loans and never repay them?
This is what North Korea did and it was pretty sweet. It's a good trick but it only works once 
Urbandale posted:Tito was bad and the Yugoslavian economy was structurally way more open to capitalist infiltration, which is exactly why foreign firms had so much control over certain industries in late/post-tito Yugoslavia. If it didn't last a single succession I dunno how we can claim its somehow better than the Soviet Chinese or Cuban models, our occasional desire to sidestep the stalin/ussr question notwithstanding.
Tito died in 1980, and was already pretty withdrawn from politics after the 1974 constitutional changes. Either way, I'm not sure that even if Tito was more hardline and stayed allied with soviets that it would have stopped the split in 1992. I mean, I don't it's a coincidence it happened after 1991.
jools posted:COINTELBRO posted:Tito was definitely better than most Soviet statesmen (and weirdos like Hoxha, though he valiantly tried to fix a retarded country like Albania.)
Yugoslavia was more interesting and vibrant than the USSR as well in terms of cultural products, management of ethny, and economic policy.This is why they had unemployment in the double digits and collapsed into war within ten years of him dying
I enjoyed a story from friend growing up in yugoslavia about their "citizen defense" class in highschool and being assigned homework in guerilla tactics at age 13 like "build a camoflaged bomb" (e.g. hidden in a book).
How dull my education was at that age.