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He's the one and he's the only one.
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Let's Talk About Stalin

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here's a post from another thread about our favorite man of steel to keep the ball rolling:

Scrree posted:

i did not mean to say that all of western academia is entirely anti-communist. There are a number of western scholars that analyse their sources carefully and report the truth of the incredible success of the socialist experiment. This is true.

but those scholars do not determine the popular narrative. Which is defined by drivel like Bloodlands and works of anti-communists like George Orwell. The 'totalitarianism' argument and overt push to compare and equalize Stalin and Hitler in every way has lead most Americans to believe that the government that ended the holocaust is 'just as bad' as the one that started it.

and redeeming does 'matter' because, as evidenced by the PSL thread on SA where a Russian expat has spent incredible energy blithering about anarchism and the holodomor, anti-coms love to bring him up even more than I do, and thats saying a lot!! disinfo about the history of actually existing socialism is what leads potentailly radical people to those dead-end 'love the theory, hate the practice' ideologies like anarchism or democratic socialism


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stalin owns
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conec posted:

gas this shit.


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why did stalin have a bunch of economists shot in the leningrad affair
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1/3 of the people removed in purges were wanted criminals and 3/3 of them deserved it
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speaking of which, where is crow anyway? is he still alive?
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Why did Stalin allow a new star wars movie to be made?!
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Panopticon posted:

why did stalin have a bunch of economists shot in the leningrad affair

To get to the other side

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Panopticon posted:

why did stalin have a bunch of economists shot in the leningrad affair



my bro what kind of just society isn't shooting economists

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but they helped fight off the nazis
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Panopticon posted:

but they helped fight off the nazis

I think you misread that.. it says here they helped beat off the nazis

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im reading Bloodlies: The Evidence that Every Accusation Against Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union in Timothy Snyder's Bloodlands Is False and ive got some hot news from grover furr

in the context of letters and orders by the soviet politburo during the Ezhovshchina, english scholars of soviet history have traditionally translated the word Limity, meaning limits, to the english word Quota
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Mike Nelson here.
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Actually the memo says: "Make sure to leave? no,survivors!"
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Stalin
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Keven posted:

Stalin

this

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stalin
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My father is a lawyer... for the Tsar's Court.
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Stalin.
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conec posted:

ever heard of Lenin?

you mean the feminist theory from sheryl sandberg?

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i think he was some kind of trot
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Im Beria-Molotivist First-Purgist
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faster stalin, kill, kill
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Use the CC button at the bottom. there's a higher quality version on youtube but it doesnt have the subs.
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scrree made a good point in the last thread about how without the carefully capitalist-cultivated trotskyist parties still tromping around the marginal left in western countries there wouldn't even be such a thing as a "stalinist" anymore, there would just be a lot of people all over the world who thought the soviet government headed by stalin was, on the whole, good for their respective nations. militantly reaffirming the global legacy of the soviet government under stalin is necessary because, as you'll find in any western medium of communication you'd ever want to peruse for some sick reason, "serious" communism in the west still involves denouncing every communist government that has ever existed before you get to the end of the sentence declaring your affinity for communism.
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yep, belief shapes reality
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actually, material reality is what is relevant in this case, as i'm talking about people who aren't white and recognize a massive material benefit to their lives or those of their families thanks to joe stalin and the u.s.s.r.
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like, why do you think it's so important for ideology to equate stalin with hitler? so there can be a pole towards which any global leftist movement can be accused to trend, one of monster movie cartoonish evil that exists floating in the air devoid of politics and demands the most violent measures to suppress before it gets out of hand, i.e., challenges u.s. global supremacy. the material basis for this belief outside of the white western imperial core is close to nothing, which is why that ideology has to be propped up by direct violence that isn't necessary in the u.s., europe and similar areas.
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i believe in justice, and the ussr under stalin was an unjust system which lacked democracy and rule of law. there is nothing to be gained by defending the purges (if the ussr were still around it might be worthwhile to protect its legitimacy in a kind of sickening utilitarian way) and lots to lose (by defending or glossing over an injustice you give the impression communists do not care about justice)

the american wars of imperialism can be opposed without even mentioning the ussr, let alone defending the injustices committed inside it
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Panopticon posted:

i believe in justice, and the ussr under stalin was an unjust system which lacked democracy and rule of law.

citation needed

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swampman posted:

Panopticon posted:

i believe in justice, and the ussr under stalin was an unjust system which lacked democracy and rule of law.

citation needed


the forsaken: an american tragedy in stalin's russia, tim tzouliadis

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rule of law sucks