#81

chickeon posted:

TG posted:

lifting owns, i have been working out 3-4 times a week for about 2.7 years and have noticed a measurable increase in self confidence. unfortunately, while ive gained considerable strength and obvious tone, i have not bulked up at all. still, skinny-buff is better than just skinny. thank you for reading my post

if you have the discipline to make consistent strength gains then bulking should be a piece of cake with a few adjustments, strength is way harder than size/mass



i think my issue is the same that keven mentioned. i eat very little throughout the day, never eat breakfast and often skip lunch. i do have a whey protein shake after workouts though

my next step toward anything remotely revolutionary will probably be to try to tackle capital vol 1. does anyone have a link to a free audio book? i take a lot of long distance drives

#82
there's a version read by Puig in the PDF subforum (I know, I know, but please keep THAT debate in the appropriate goddamn megathread)
#83
well yeah there's your problem then, you gotta eat. if you're lifting 3 or 4 times a week you should be on a week-round high protein diet if you're going for hypertrophy and hell your strength gains would be better too with improved intake

I can't really recommend reading capital as an audiobook but here you go https://www.marxists.org/audiobooks/archive/marx-engels/capital-vol1/index.htm
at very least you should have a text copy to skim after to make sure everything's Getting In or whatever and taking notes if possible
#84
You are all precious, please be careful with eachother.

The jokes here are more on point and refined than ever, but perhaps its being insulated from the plebs who don't already know the punchline.

What about field trips? non-indexed subs for coordinating reddit pedagogy, or creating virulent rumors on stormfront. I've seen these posters ruthlessly destroy eachothers will to participate. We used to prank call Bristol Palin. I feel like there's a lot to harness in lovely creative ways.
#85
also, critical theory and mental illness are a really fucking volatile mixture.
Maybe month probations, with required proof of going outside for reentry
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#87
Haha discipline, trust me, that was not her problem (her arguments were mostly selfish). While admittingly lifestyle anarchists are kind of a wet fart, anarcho-syndicalists are hardly so bad. We're all heading the same way, just have different ways of getting there. The Bolsheviks at least waited till after they had power before they started the purges. Hell, Lenin's older brother was an anarchist, his death for attempting to assassinate the Tsar was part of Lenin's journey towards leading the revolution....as I'm sure you know haha.
As for the weight gain (this is not focused at discipline who probably cares little), actually I've made no change to my diet at all. I'd rather get wirey strong, and cut, then massively increasing calorie content and getting huge. Though it takes far longer to see strength gains, at least it's not costing me anything, and I wouldn't starve any faster in a low caloric environment. I'm going for the VC look, not the American GI. There's at least some women who prefer cut to buff (if that's what is your primary motivator).
#88
Leninists and anarchists are not trying to get to the same place
#89
The withering of the state isn't a long term goal of Leninism? I know their methods in the short term couldn't be more different, but I always thought the end goal of all communists was communism.
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#91
as far as self criticism goes, i cant be assed to edit out zizek from this wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st-century_communist_theorists
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#94
i'd appreciate expansion on differences between leninists and anarcho-syndicalists, as i find myself socialising with the latter often
#95

xipe posted:

i'd appreciate expansion on differences between leninists and anarcho-syndicalists, as i find myself socialising with the latter often

anarcho syndicalists believe that government is like, part of the problem man

#96
Anarcho-syndicalists push for a supposed non-state form where individual industrial unions or one big union (depending on flavor) form the spine of 'post-capitalist' society. Most anarcho-syndicalist theorists argue for a 'free society of producers' where workers produce whatever the shop (excuse me, collective) produces without production managers intervening (aka no state planners and the basis of society being the grouping of workers at a shop, not the working class as a whole). They also support the continued existence of the market for distribution of goods and price determination.

What this means is the anarcho-syndicalist society has absolutely nothing preventing individual shops from competing with each other along standard capitalist lines and thus recreating capitalism. There's even structural support for them to do so, as you obviously want your wages to increase and the easiest way to do this is via inter-shop competition on the open market. Because of the open embrace of the market for distribution and the lack of soviet-style price fixing, whether the individual theorist is pushing for labor vouchers as currency or dollars is immaterial, and you will eventually stare down the same problems that capitalisms does, namely the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. Say hello to the reintroduction of structural unemployment (and perhaps outright war) and you find that the syndicalist society you've attempted to build has done nothing more than create a massive and unsustainable grouping of petty bourgeois worker-owners sitting in their collectives.

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#97

Spatial_Reasoning posted:

You are all precious, please be careful with eachother.

The jokes here are more on point and refined than ever, but perhaps its being insulated from the plebs who don't already know the punchline.

What about field trips? non-indexed subs for coordinating reddit pedagogy, or creating virulent rumors on stormfront. I've seen these posters ruthlessly destroy eachothers will to participate. We used to prank call Bristol Palin. I feel like there's a lot to harness in lovely creative ways.

If you have an idea for a collaboration you should post it. Given that there is basically total surveillance of the internet at all times I hesitate to register at any new forms of e communication. Why expose myself to reddit. Why dig myself any deeper.

#98
Is this a stated belief or a derived conclusion? From who?
I don't think too many anarcho syndicalists are in support of profit driven markets.

Either way, more of this
https://np.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/
#99

discipline posted:

I'm miserable



same

#100
They aren't in support of profit-driven markets, this is true, but they create them regardless due to structural pressures/components that they do support, such as lack of upper-level government, creation of petty bourgeois, and market-driven distribution.

As for the other thing most of it is derived conclusion from a series of arguments given by anarcho-syndicalists in the CNT and IWW. The IWW had an internal discussion about this maybe a decade ago when the AS faction tried to get the union to call itself a syndicalist org. The resolution was defeated pretty easily but they still make a lot of noise about it, and as a result most people think the wobbles are anarchist.

e: actually if youre interested, most people participating in this discussion, either for or against, posted all the major polemics on libcom. most of the late-90s early-00s stuff on cooperatives are just email reposts

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#102
You guys need to cheer up! I feel great. Almost done my first semester back at school, looks like i'll be starting a new job soon, this cold has me thinking about fun ways to spend the summer. Having a blast!

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#104
But the whole reason the IWW is an industrial union is to prevent unions from competing with each other in a race to the bottom? I'm pretty sure that communist states have competed with each other industrially as well.
True, they advocate more worker self management, as opposed to top-down management, but they also support solidarity amongst unions, so I can't really see inter-union competition as being a natural result. Surely the central convention would serve as a tool for organizing the general economy?
Was there evidence of this kind of wage competition during the Spanish revolution?
The IWW isn't a syndicalist org? It's called the Syndicat industriel de Travailleurs et Travailleuses in French.
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#106
2016 is our year doggs, I can feel it
#107
i cant wait to die. bought some mezcal again.
#108

Red_Canadian posted:

But the whole reason the IWW is an industrial union is to prevent unions from competing with each other in a race to the bottom?



thats the idea, sure, but all thats there to prevent that is ideology. theres no structural support

Red_Canadian posted:

I'm pretty sure that communist states have competed with each other industrially as well.



the thing is there havent been any communist states. the stage of development for the states youre likely talking about is socialism, not communism, and yeah theres nothing preventing competition in socialism, but in, for example, the soviet union, they had price fixing and production quotas set by the government, not the market.

Red_Canadian posted:

True, they advocate more worker self management, as opposed to top-down management, but they also support solidarity amongst unions, so I can't really see inter-union competition as being a natural result.



if youre talking about the IWW you should note that it exists inside capitalism, not socialism or communism, but even the IWW has poached locals from other unions. the teamster group at amy's bread in NYC joined the IWW during the organizing campaign for workers inside the shop. without structural opposition competition is inevitable in a capitalist economy and AS orgs support all the things that lead to the creation of one

Red_Canadian posted:

Surely the central convention would serve as a tool for organizing the general economy?



it could, but again without all the things i mentioned in my first post theres nothing preventing the reintroduction of capitalism, assuming they even get to the point where capitalism can be claimed to be abolished at all.

Red_Canadian posted:

Was there evidence of this kind of wage competition during the Spanish revolution?



sure, mondragon itself is the result of this amalgamation.

Red_Canadian posted:

The IWW isn't a syndicalist org? It's called the Syndicat industriel de Travailleurs et Travailleuses in French.



i misspoke, i meant anarcho-syndicalist organization. syndicate is just another word for union, and wobblies explicitly say they arent an anarchist organization.

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#110

tpaine posted:

nice edit getfiscal but it's still a run-on and it's still awkward to say "almost done my first semester." it should be "done with." you don't really do semesters, at least not in regular english intercourse. go back to quebec or wherever until you learn how to talk to people.

my mom grew up on a street where people set fires to houses and abandon them because they can't sell them. my dad had ten brothers and sisters in one house. he slept three to a bed until they didn't fit. so yes i went to public school and yes i talk a little rough compared to your kind. but you know what? i can still look myself in the mirror and say with an honest face that i haven't been indicted for trying to steal all the copies of the orlando sentinel that were printed on march 14th, 2007 because there was a picture of me on the front under a headline about obesity among veterans, unlike some people

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#112
the secret pdf subforum doesn't exist, i've concluded.
#113
it's real. i've seemn it
#114
if it was real id just saturate it with texts on the ussr by revisionist historians and ismail scans
#115
Love that guy....
#116

HenryKrinkle posted:

the secret pdf subforum doesn't exist, i've concluded.

For real Henry you don't have access to it? Talk to the mods of the rhizzone IRC channel and get them to add you.

#117
yeah dude 4 real pdfs galore
#118
its real and theyre spectacular
#119

getfiscal posted:

Love that guy....



he's still beefing with me. apparently the larpers on his game forum wrote a history of it

#120

swampman posted:

xipe posted:

i'd appreciate expansion on differences between leninists and anarcho-syndicalists, as i find myself socialising with the latter often

anarcho syndicalists believe that government is like, part of the problem man



yes thats tedious

Urbandale posted:

Anarcho-syndicalists push for a supposed non-state form where individual industrial unions or one big union (depending on flavor) form the spine of 'post-capitalist' society. Most anarcho-syndicalist theorists argue for a 'free society of producers' where workers produce whatever the shop (excuse me, collective) produces without production managers intervening (aka no state planners and the basis of society being the grouping of workers at a shop, not the working class as a whole). They also support the continued existence of the market for distribution of goods and price determination.

What this means is the anarcho-syndicalist society has absolutely nothing preventing individual shops from competing with each other along standard capitalist lines and thus recreating capitalism. There's even structural support for them to do so, as you obviously want your wages to increase and the easiest way to do this is via inter-shop competition on the open market. Because of the open embrace of the market for distribution and the lack of soviet-style price fixing, whether the individual theorist is pushing for labor vouchers as currency or dollars is immaterial, and you will eventually stare down the same problems that capitalisms does, namely the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. Say hello to the reintroduction of structural unemployment (and perhaps outright war) and you find that the syndicalist society you've attempted to build has done nothing more than create a massive and unsustainable grouping of petty bourgeois worker-owners sitting in their collectives.



hmm maybe my guys arent anarcho-syndicalist just a miserable pile of tendancies as unions arent their primary thing.

they often have reasonable opinions on things probably despite anarchism.
i would know them through hanging around their radical social centre in 2009, and still collaborate with and go to events parties etc with them