tpaine posted:i'm just waiting for the day when they realize that "gay" is a gender
thanks I'm super gay now
tpaine posted:i just realized that 'misgender' is redundant. gendering itself is misgendering. you cannot even begin to grasp the true nature of my gender. it defies all categorization. it simply is.
tpaine posted:a bigot.
don't sign your posts
Skylark posted:tpaine posted:
i don't know what to post in this thread anymre
I think the idea is that you wait til the next time you get misgendered to post in it again
at work the other day this really old white man walked up to me and said "what do we have here young lady" and i gave him a puzzled look through the beard net i have to wear on my face. after a second he had this horrified expression that i think had more to do with the shock of recognizing his senility and i felt bad to have to witness it. anyway i support skylark.
Skylark posted:That doesnt seem to really be the case thoguh, the punchline of this thread and a lot of the posts in it are the idea of someone being gender-nonconforming, this for example.
I made this thread after i was irl referred to as "ma'am" by a Goodyear employee at 10:06 AM Friday morning. The only "punchline" is that today i went out and got a haircut because of it.
swampman posted:3:10. "The daughter I never had," Mother cackles at her mobile from the home office. I clench the binding of The Mandarins so hard the book tears and the last few pages fall into bubble bath.
...it must be so nice to have a mom who says nice things......mom......
shriekingviolet posted:'They' is really, really easy to use as a gender neutral pronoun, you just have to expend a small amount of effort for like maybe a week of knowing somebody who uses it and treating them respectfully, and it'll be as natural as anything else. People who complain about it adding ambiguities to spoken language haven't thought very hard about how english is already a total linguistic catastrophe, and in practice context fills in the gaps.
ask them where the second person plural went because people who cry about shit like "ambiguity" are never cool enough to say yall
Skylark posted:Perhaps the special snowflake will be triggered if you dont use xir absurdly hilraious pronoun xir lol - Parody of 'social justice warriors' who are RUINING my life in no demonstrable way , if you like this joke read any mainstream website from 2013-2017 to read it again
meow
aerdil posted:wasnt trying to parody social justice tumblr types, i was simply trying not to misgender tpaine, geez louise
cars posted:also that's swampman's joke
Well obviously it's not a coincidence that both people happened to pick the pronoun 'xhe', they did it because it's the go-to wacky pronoun everyone uses to demonstrate how kooky trans people/'pc culture' is.
Superabound posted:I made this thread after i was irl referred to as "ma'am" by a Goodyear employee at 10:06 AM Friday morning.
Yeah and it's funny because misgendering is what the insane social justice people say, and you're saying it even though there's no danger or harm in you being misgendered. The thing that this, and sarcastically calling someone a bigot over a minor thing, and the insincere uses of the zany pronoun xhe have in common is that they make light of things that hurt real people. I don't think these jokes are extremely offensive in that regard but I guarantee every trans person has seen them invoked a billion times to invalidate them. My main issue is that they're just super played things to say.
Idk i don't like to argue and I'm uncomfortable writing all this crap about this. I'm just interested in jokes a lot, and im interested in gender a lot, and seeing this stuff over and over bugs me on both fronts as it were. I expect to see xhe jokes on mainstream internet, just as i would expect to see people saying cuck and stuff like that, which bothers me in the same way, but its disappointing to see it coming from people i expect better from. There are interesting conversations to have about these things but seeing the same few boring ideas repeated forever is very not-interesting
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quoth my boss when I commented on this, he can't/doesn't have to get it right because he is autistic and 'not wired that way'; if I say it to him in private it has literally no effect, and if I correct him in public he doesn't get angry with me so much as start to sulk and be non-communicative, meaning I a) have to take over for him and b) risk job insecurity because I'm on a quasi-zero-hours contract and lol if non-teaching academic staff have much in the way of HR support. trying to move to a different department but it's slow.
it's weird because he uses male pronouns/terms along with really creepy sexist condescension/harassment - so you get the uncomfortable outing from someone who 'doesn't respect your identity' (which would be one thing - but he's a pig, and so I don't care /that/ much - but comes with a whole lot of material impacts), but then you also get the gendered harassment targeted as a (trans) woman.
i will be sure to post in this thread the next time I am misgendered in public.
Skylark posted:cars posted:also that's swampman's joke
Well obviously it's not a coincidence that both people happened to pick the pronoun 'xhe', they did it because it's the go-to wacky pronoun everyone uses to demonstrate how kooky trans people/'pc culture' is
Ok, I really do a lot to police my own language in real life and online. I think all people have feelings of transsexuality whether they admit it openly, or to themselves, or whatever. Its a normal and very small part of being human. I don't think trans people are weird or kooky, except to the extent that they engage in identity politics. I think "xhe" is a particularly good choice at tHE r H i z z o n E because it is a conscious act to refuse to gender people I don't know, even famous people. Basically I am trying to avoid the "fundamental attribution error" in myself and in others. Sorry if I hurt your feelings skylark.
FSAD posted:How are you supposed to pronounce xhe/xher anyway, I assume it's not ecks-he or zee is it? Asking for a friend.
its zee and zer
Skylark posted:Yeah and it's funny because misgendering is what the insane social justice people say, and you're saying it even though there's no danger or harm in you being misgendered. The thing that this, and sarcastically calling someone a bigot over a minor thing, and the insincere uses of the zany pronoun xhe have in common is that they make light of things that hurt real people. I don't think these jokes are extremely offensive in that regard but I guarantee every trans person has seen them invoked a billion times to invalidate them. My main issue is that they're just super played things to say.
I dont understand why you think being misgendered as a non-trans person is any less harmful than being misgendered as a transgender person. If anything, it is even more psychologically wounding because there's no mutually understandable material grounds for the confusion. I have been misgendered literally countless times throughout my life, just because I am a fairly graceful man of slight build who for a large percentage of his existence has chosen to have long, luxurious hair. Which, as previously noted, I immediately cut off to better adhere to the proscribed gender norms of society re: my own internalized sense of gender. Which, were I not cis scum, would be seen as Brave and Heroic, rather than Cowardly and Pathetic, which I am. Sorry for making this thread in an attempt to ameliorate my own gender insecurities through shared humor.
"WOW, YOU WRITE LIKE A GIRL"
*dies inside*
Skylark posted:aerdil posted:wasnt trying to parody social justice tumblr types, i was simply trying not to misgender tpaine, geez louise
cars posted:also that's swampman's joke
Well obviously it's not a coincidence that both people happened to pick the pronoun 'xhe', they did it because it's the go-to wacky pronoun everyone uses to demonstrate how kooky trans people/'pc culture' is.
Superabound posted:I made this thread after i was irl referred to as "ma'am" by a Goodyear employee at 10:06 AM Friday morning.
Yeah and it's funny because misgendering is what the insane social justice people say, and you're saying it even though there's no danger or harm in you being misgendered. The thing that this, and sarcastically calling someone a bigot over a minor thing, and the insincere uses of the zany pronoun xhe have in common is that they make light of things that hurt real people. I don't think these jokes are extremely offensive in that regard but I guarantee every trans person has seen them invoked a billion times to invalidate them. My main issue is that they're just super played things to say.
Idk i don't like to argue and I'm uncomfortable writing all this crap about this. I'm just interested in jokes a lot, and im interested in gender a lot, and seeing this stuff over and over bugs me on both fronts as it were. I expect to see xhe jokes on mainstream internet, just as i would expect to see people saying cuck and stuff like that, which bothers me in the same way, but its disappointing to see it coming from people i expect better from. There are interesting conversations to have about these things but seeing the same few boring ideas repeated forever is very not-interesting
Thanks, skylark, for gracing us played out normies with your presence again. i feel like shit we disappointed someone so worldly as you....