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Not sure why it should be considered more reasonable to presume an operation by completely isolated actors, given the history of not only American intelligence agencies but the ubiquity of false flag operation and the use of proxies by secret services and states in the modern era. Or the amount of even publicly admitted synergy between allies of Washington and the takfiris in Syria, including Daesh.

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Mike Nelson here.
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i made this... possibly too obscure???

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Interpret the "?" as a disingenuous disavowal or as "Huh, that happened. Oh well, lets roll with it." Either way...
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"In an official statement the Serbian interior ministry said the Syrian passport was recently registered at the Presevo border crossing (between Macedonia and Serbia), where al Mohammad formally sought asylum.

"It has been established that his data matches the data of a person who on October 3 was identified in Greece. There was no Interpol arrest warrant issued for this person," the ministry said.

The Croatian authorities confirmed that al Mohammad had also travelled through their country.

"We did not label the person as potentially suspicious," police spokeswoman Helena Biocic told reporters."

http://news.yahoo.com/greece-names-man-whose-syrian-passport-found-paris-181514100.html

Of course the American and French authorities would seek to cast doubt on the authenticity of the pasport, because they want to obscure a possible link to their Turkish ally:

"A Greek police force source said the passport owner was a young man who had arrived on a small vessel from Turkey with a group of 69 other refugees.

He had his fingerprints taken by officials."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official

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Other benefits to taking that rhetorical tact:
(1) It helps circulates the idea that giving off misleading political signals during an attack is only something "they" would do.

(2) Turns attention away from the ongoing imperialist assault to domestic debates. A passport that was actually found but of disputed origin is ideal fodder for distracting KulturKampf from both right and left.

(3) Allows imperialist nations to project themselves as being the more "compassionate" ones while diverting critical attention away from possible methods that are being used to bring in deep state assets.
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"Bilal Hadfi has been named in the media as one of the terrorists who attacked the Stade de France. He reportedly fought with Isil in Syria and lived in Belgium prior to the attacks (!)"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11996120/Paris-attack-what-we-know-about-the-suspects.html
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Dont Mess With Sucess
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If you want to show anyone the math:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Overview._Iraqi_death_estimates_by_source
The low estimate of 151,000 deaths in three years is roughly equivalent to a Paris shootup every day during that time period

The high estimate of 1,033,000 deaths in four years is more like 5-6 of these events each day during that time
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i avoided social media expecting a rahowa cacophony but instead its normal people tallking about syria, palestine lebanon etc and a few liberals whining about how they're being 'shamed' for waving french flags so thats a small something
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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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it's interesting to me how your basic Mainstream Liberal claims to be totally "pragmatic" when it comes to domestic policy concerns and foreign allegiances; e.g. we must vote democrat because doing otherwise is suboptimal, we must support saudi arabia because that's just how it is, it's understandable that obama let the bankers off because he's building up political capital, etc. but then on military policy they are emotional pie-in-the-sky dreamers motivated by concepts of Justice and Revenge, and not what is actually likely to be the consequences of their actions. probably because they don't have to suffer any consequences
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Flappo posted:

How many pashtun weddings is this attack rated at? Like a 3.5 probably? That's a pretty good week for Obama.



Obama posted:

"Once again we've seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians. This is an attack not just on Paris, it's an attack not just on the people of France, but this is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values that we share."



You might think it's a good week for Obama, but for a guy who's real target is "all of humanity" he can feel pretty overwhelmed at times.

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"A heavily armed suspect was stopped on his way to the French capital more than a week ago but German police who uncovered an arsenal of weapons in his car did not tell anti-terror chiefs."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3318859/Questions-French-security-services-emerges-three-major-intelligence-failures-let-killers-through.html#ixzz3rgEXnbfD

German police stopped the man Nov. 5 on the highway between Salzburg, Austria, and Munich.

"The suspect, identified in German reports as a 51-year-old man from Montenegro, had programmed his car’s GPS with directions to Paris, police said.

The suspect told cops he wanted to see the Eiffel Tower. French police were alerted to his arrest.

The man, who Montenegrin authorities describe as Christian Orthodox, remains in custody in the small town of Traunstein."

http://nypost.com/2015/11/15/man-stopped-in-germany-may-be-linked-to-paris-attacks-police/
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RedMaistre posted:

"In an official statement the Serbian interior ministry said the Syrian passport was recently registered at the Presevo border crossing (between Macedonia and Serbia), where al Mohammad formally sought asylum.

"It has been established that his data matches the data of a person who on October 3 was identified in Greece. There was no Interpol arrest warrant issued for this person," the ministry said.

The Croatian authorities confirmed that al Mohammad had also travelled through their country.

"We did not label the person as potentially suspicious," police spokeswoman Helena Biocic told reporters."

http://news.yahoo.com/greece-names-man-whose-syrian-passport-found-paris-181514100.html

Of course the American and French authorities would seek to cast doubt on the authenticity of the pasport, because they want to obscure a possible link to their Turkish ally:

"A Greek police force source said the passport owner was a young man who had arrived on a small vessel from Turkey with a group of 69 other refugees.

He had his fingerprints taken by officials."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619447/Paris-terrorist-Syrian-refugee-Greece-government-official



"Upon his arrival in Leros, the Paris assailant was checked against police databases under his Syrian identity, Greek officials say. Nothing was found. Police on Leros didn’t spot that the passport was fake. A black market in Syrian passports has sprung up in Turkey as migrants try to gain the easiest possible entry into Europe, which has treated Syrian war refugees as more deserving of shelter in European Union countries than many other nationalities.

Greek authorities say the man using the name Ahmad AlMohammad took a ferry to the port of Piraeus, arriving on Oct. 8, before traveling north through the Balkans. Greece’s migration ministry said on Sunday that the man later reached Croatia. But after that, the trail appears to go cold. Officials in Austria, Germany, Italy and Hungary say they have no information about any man using that name entering their territory."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paris-stadium-attacker-entered-europe-via-greece-1447698583

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Hollende makes offer of alliance to Russia that it knows Putin will almost certainly refuse,since its conditioned on withdrawing support for Assad.

http://www.businessinsider.com/france-is-at-war-hollande-seeks-to-unite-france-us-and-russia-into-single-anti-isis-coalition-2015-11
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Wall Street Loves Daesh attacks

http://usuncut.com/news/why-wall-street-is-cheering-after-paris-attacks/
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I have harped on the Turkish and Gulf connection to the Islamic state, but lest we forget....

"A report submitted to the United Nations Security Council by UN observers in the Golan Heights over the past 18 months shows that Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) have been in regular contact with Syrian rebels, including Islamic State (ISIS) militants.

Israel initially had maintained that it was treating only civilians. However, reports claimed that earlier last month members of Israel’s Druze minority protested the hospitalisation of wounded Syrian fighters from the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front in Israel.
A statement issued by a group of Druze activists accused the Israeli government of supporting radical Sunni factions such as the Islamic State (ISIS).

The UN report also laid out instances where in Israeli army was seen interacting with armed rebels. In one incident, the report claimed that the IDF gave some boxes to the Syrian armed rebels."

https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2015/11/16/israel-isis-iran/
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*stokes the flames that force America and Iran together, while drifting away from themselves*

"Yes, this is my strategy. A true art... of war."
#224
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That is assuming Washington and its cronies ultimately want rapprochement with Tehran, Moscow, and Damascus, as opposed to using the threat of Daesh to demand that Assad must step down to placate the takfiris:

"In that speech, Obama acknowledged that it would take time to defeat ISIS, but the conditions he described on Thursday conveyed a fight that could take more than a generation to resolve.

“Until we get the Syrian political situation resolved and until Assad is no longer a lightning rod for Sunnis in Syria, and that entire region is no longer a proxy war for Shia-Sunni conflict, we are going to continue to have problems,” Obama said."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/13/obama-forget-about-destroying-isis-we-just-need-to-contain-them.html
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The more heterogeneous the inhabitants of a country are, the more vital for its preservation is the continuity of the name heading the state, with the unity of his (or her) person standing in place of an absent national homogeneity.The relationship of Tito to Yugoslavia would be a notable socialist example of this truth, while the role of the British Royal family in the UK would be one that even normies generally acknowledge. Hence the demand for Assad to step down is not some negotiable issue among others but an element of a strategy of aggression whose clear intent is the further Balkinization of the Levant. Or rather, the completion of the Balkinzation of the Levant that has been underway for a century now since the end of WWI.



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how do you explain the US then? its quite a bit more diverse than the UK
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Unlike the UK, the United States has, historically, built itself up as one nation, the American nation, that is, theoretically, open to all who wish to follow its laws and be assimilated to it values. E pluribus unum...


Perhaps that will change in future, as the engine of white settler-colonialism that was a large factor in giving this dream substance tends to wither away and be replaced by a more diverse racial landscape full of groups that are more assertive of their particular identities. We will see.

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Edit: And the executive branch has always played an outsized symbolic and institutional role in the United State Government, which has tended to grow, not diminish, overtime.
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RedMaistre posted:

That is assuming Washington and its cronies ultimately want rapprochement with Tehran, Moscow, and Damascus, as opposed to using the threat of Daesh to demand that Assad must step down to placate the takfiris:

"In that speech, Obama acknowledged that it would take time to defeat ISIS, but the conditions he described on Thursday conveyed a fight that could take more than a generation to resolve.

“Until we get the Syrian political situation resolved and until Assad is no longer a lightning rod for Sunnis in Syria, and that entire region is no longer a proxy war for Shia-Sunni conflict, we are going to continue to have problems,” Obama said."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/13/obama-forget-about-destroying-isis-we-just-need-to-contain-them.html


"Until we somehow get rid of Assad," *nonchalantly hands weapons to jihadists* "this whole Isis thing is gonna continue to be a problem," *bombs the shit out of many civilian* "I mean, I don't know man, our hands are tied here," *waves hands around, grins*

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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

it's interesting to me how your basic Mainstream Liberal claims to be totally "pragmatic" when it comes to domestic policy concerns and foreign allegiances; e.g. we must vote democrat because doing otherwise is suboptimal, we must support saudi arabia because that's just how it is, it's understandable that obama let the bankers off because he's building up political capital, etc. but then on military policy they are emotional pie-in-the-sky dreamers motivated by concepts of Justice and Revenge, and not what is actually likely to be the consequences of their actions. probably because they don't have to suffer any consequences



actually on deeper thought the characteristic all those things have in common is "allows me to be self-righteous while supporting existing power"

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The further undermining the position of Merkel and Germany as a whole within the EU seems to be one of effects of this crisis.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-15/merkel-warns-against-drawing-innocent-refugees-into-terror-fight

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-17/paris-terror-uniting-east-europe-against-merkel-s-refugee-plan

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34841388

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/16/angela-merkel-on-defensive-over-germanys-refugee-p/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/critic-of-angela-merkel-is-rebuked-for-linking-attacks-to-refugees-1.2432563

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Reminder that Merkel, unlike Hollende or Cameron, has insisted on not only co-operation with Russia but on accepting Assad as a partner in the peace process.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/12/us-mideast-crisis-syria-germany-idUSKCN0RC0LM20150912

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/24/lets-talk-to-syrias-assad-merkel-says/

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/merkel-assad-included-syria-peace-talks-150924080649644.html

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Also this has been going on:

"Last week, two separate news reports revealed that the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), the German spy agency, had been snooping on a host of ostensible allies.

The German public radio station rbb-Inforadio reported that the BND eavesdropped on the FBI, U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, European Union diplomat Hansjoerg Haber — a German citizen — the International Criminal Court and the World Health Organization.

A few days earlier, German news magazine Der Spiegel reported that the BND had penetrated the U.S. State Department and the U.S. Department of the Interior and its equivalent domestic agencies in Austria, Croatia, Denmark and Poland. The magazine also reported that the BND had spied on American, British, French and a handful of other diplomats working in Germany."


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/16/angela-merkel-on-defensive-over-germanys-refugee-p/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
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The migrant issue is a red herring to help distract ordinary Europeans and any political forces that are not completely under America's thrall from understanding that they are caught in the middle of a deadly conflict between Washington and the resistance axis

Its not an immigration question, its a world war.
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prominent neocons are taking up the view that Assad is to blame for ISIS because his repression gives Sunnis no other choice but to support them:

https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/666217149929799681
https://twitter.com/mdubowitz/status/666449300747108355

incredibly insulting to Sunnis in addition to everyone else.
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HenryKrinkle posted:

prominent neocons are taking up the view that Assad is to blame for ISIS because his repression gives Sunnis no other choice but to support them:

https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/666217149929799681
https://twitter.com/mdubowitz/status/666449300747108355

incredibly insulting to Sunnis in addition to everyone else.



smdh, what a bunch of loonies!

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war nerd

As a rule, you can tell when the media approve of air strikes by the angle. If it’s all nice clean pilot’s-view of distant explosions, it’s a good strike. If they show you funerals, weeping relatives, blasted apartments, it’s a bad strike. So you can tell, just from the headline—“This Is What the Russian Air Strikes in Syria Look Like from the Ground”—that it’s a bad strike. For example, ground-angle stories on Israeli airstrikes only started hitting the US media in the past few years. Now they’re fairly common but for most of my lifetime you just didn’t see those weeping Palestinians. When the strike is done by our own airforce, you still don’t see them unless you go to foreign or marginal leftist sites. But boy do they start popping up when it’s the Russians playing their air-to-ground video games.
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RedMaistre posted:

Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), the German spy agency


their spy agency is called the "federal news service"?