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Mike Nelson here.
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You're still near us, Mo
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chickeon
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hi
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Ppylnvv2RwM
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RIP
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http://steamcommunity.com/groups/colonelgaddafi
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chickeon
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whoa jacobin actually published something decent, that makes for like maybe the third one this year https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/07/hillary-libya-nato-qaddafi-obama/ nothing in there everyone here shouldn't have known already but good stuff for loser imperial apologist fake leftists to get through their heads
the most disagreeable thing probably being " no one could foresee the emergence of the Islamic State." since uh yeah
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i didnt forsee it idk.
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Mike Nelson here.
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virtually any historical event proves me right in retrospect
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the part in my 93 page long poem where i mention Toyota trucks and AK 47s goes out to the toyota war, but i should probably write a poem


for

oh well

if theres an ecomaomarxist revolution
thats green and white

its cuz

gaddafi's libya

was so blak afrikan
that they had to put him

well i forgot how he died but it was
the kind of death
a true revolutionary doesn't deserve
and gets

because we were too bad for
this good gaddafi world

we were all just living in his tent
drinking tea and sipping OIL

well
yeah
Moammar Qaddafi
RIP
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Gaddafi
Gaddafi
Them NATO Nazis had the Wahhabi proxies

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getfiscal posted:

virtually any historical event proves me right in retrospect



You're like the john the baptist to paradol ex's jesus christ

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I like how investigating Hillary by republican conspiracy theorists has accidentally revealed the direct knowledge Hillary and Obama had about the rise of Al Qaeda and ISIS and the money/weapons/air support we knowingly gave them. Republicans are befuddled by their ideology and turn to a conspiracy while liberals are pure monsters who only care about their team winning for personal smugness. That's why I will be voting for Donald Trump in 2016 who has now claimed that Bush is responsible for 9/11, America's military is vastly overextended and should be pulled out of Japan and Korea, invading Iraq Afghanistan Libya and Syria were all mistakes, America needs to rebuild its infrastructure and save American jobs by scrapping the TPP and protecting labor from neoliberal open borders, end the war on drugs and neo-slavery, various other democratic-socialist and anti-imperialist policies.
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political car tune
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Trump didn't go far enough. Sure Mexicans are rapists, but that is just their men. Coincidentally, all male populations contain rapists and therefore must be screened and filtered. Also, we should do more to screen for domestic rapists on our own soil.
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Mike Nelson here.
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babyhueypnewton posted:

liberals are pure monsters who only care about their team winning for personal smugness.

Not sure "personal smugness" is a strong materialist explanation.

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hi
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babyhueypnewton posted:

I like how investigating Hillary by republican conspiracy theorists has accidentally revealed the direct knowledge Hillary and Obama had about the rise of Al Qaeda and ISIS and the money/weapons/air support we knowingly gave them. Republicans are befuddled by their ideology and turn to a conspiracy while liberals are pure monsters who only care about their team winning for personal smugness. That's why I will be voting for Donald Trump in 2016 who has now claimed that Bush is responsible for 9/11, America's military is vastly overextended and should be pulled out of Japan and Korea, invading Iraq Afghanistan Libya and Syria were all mistakes, America needs to rebuild its infrastructure and save American jobs by scrapping the TPP and protecting labor from neoliberal open borders, end the war on drugs and neo-slavery, various other democratic-socialist and anti-imperialist policies.

surprisingly, the only two reactionary flip-flops he made are on Afghanistan and the war on drugs. otherwise the above post is rather accurate.

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UNUSUALY COOL
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nigga you aint raped shit
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babyhueypnewton posted:

I like how investigating Hillary by republican conspiracy theorists has accidentally revealed the direct knowledge Hillary and Obama had about the rise of Al Qaeda and ISIS and the money/weapons/air support we knowingly gave them. Republicans are befuddled by their ideology and turn to a conspiracy while liberals are pure monsters who only care about their team winning for personal smugness. That's why I will be voting for Donald Trump in 2016 who has now claimed that Bush is responsible for 9/11, America's military is vastly overextended and should be pulled out of Japan and Korea, invading Iraq Afghanistan Libya and Syria were all mistakes, America needs to rebuild its infrastructure and save American jobs by scrapping the TPP and protecting labor from neoliberal open borders, end the war on drugs and neo-slavery, various other democratic-socialist and anti-imperialist policies.



I take just a short break and this is what I come back too. Smh...

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discipline posted:

I read a book called cyclonopedia that called ISIS blow for blow with all the racism that involves



"American militarism, with its own irresistible urge to desolate, has also migrated, remobilized itself to spread this desert, thus broadening the path to Jihad to reach and embrace the burning Qiyamah"

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I would definitely agree that Reza Negarestanti eagerly called for something like Isis to appear. Not sure racism is really an issue for Gnostic Anti-Humanists.
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SO who here thinks he had syphilitic dementia? Asking for a friend
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In the 70s Qadaffi projected an image of an ascetic revolutionary. This interview from about 40 years ago is particularly interesting:



In it Qadaffi proudly travels without bodyguards, wears a simple colonels uniform etc. His whole demeanor is a lot closer to Fidel Castro than it is to his later presentation of himself as a "king of Kings" draped in gold with a troop of all female bodyguards. I read a think-piece a while back that asserted that Gadaffi's was deliberately playing the role of "crazed dictator" as a diplomatic tactic. I can't find a link t the article though.

Basically, I can think of 3 explanations to account for his drastic change in public persona:

1) His was playing a role
2) He was a mentally ill supporter of oppressed people's and probably posted here
3) His "crazed dictator" persona was a pure fabrication from the West
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chickeon
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why would you even think of the first two "explanations". That interview is only 8 years after the green revolution and thus only 8 years into Libya's various astounding accomplishments, and he probably had a more directly hands on role at that point still. He wasn't a dictator at all or even an autocrat, the jamahiriya was radically democratic on a level as embarrassing to the west as it was beneficial to the people of Libya and Africa in general, as the years went on the amount that he and the country as a whole had accomplished for peoples liberation on the continent continued to grow and so naturally did the degree to which he was celebrated as an individual. Keep in mind that aside from what you saw of him in the mass media the man continued to sleep in a bedouin tent at home and abroad and lead a relatively austere life compared to the vast majority of leaders at the time or at any point in history; Castro as comparison is setting the bar incredibly high. He was a legitimate hero and came to be celebrated as one, he did not turn himself into a spectacle
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chickeon posted:

Keep in mind that aside from what you saw of him in the mass media the man continued to sleep in a bedouin tent at home and abroad and lead a relatively austere life compared to the vast majority of leaders at the time or at any point in history





A picture of austerity and humility right there.

The post I made was about the change in Gadaffi's public persona as reported by the media. I wasn't suggesting there is some dichotomy of either Gadaffi the Tireless Revolutionary or Gadaffi the Scary A-Rab Boogeyman. I'm just curious about Gadaffi's media presentation, which is something's separate from Libya's democraticness.

You could just look here at 2m54s:



If you don't see a difference in personality between that video and the above picture I don't know what to tell you

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Dont Mess With Sucess
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walkinginonit posted:



A picture of austerity and humility right there.

Are you referring to the white guy wearing the international symbol for endless cruelty?

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Occupied Aztlan
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i dunno what you were trying to get by posting that pic, hes wearing robes and his bodyguards uniforms dont even match.
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If parvenu flamboyance and dubious sartorial choices are out, it's not my revolution.
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obviously at some point he was just, well i'm getting older and i may as well have some fun with this
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One possible motive for Gaddaffi's changes in costume over the years is his ideological shift from Pan-Arabism to Pan-Africanism. In his early years, he was trying to imitate the relatively simple, and non-'native', garb of Nasser. In his later adoption of clothing in the style of traditional north African robes can be seen his greater identification with a identify distinct from the world of Arab nationalist politics.

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There's some pretty simple racism going on when Qaddafi is accused of being decadent for dressing "flamboyantly" (read: not like a white person) while the functionaries of imperialism casually strut around in suits so expensive I could pawn one to pay my bills for a year and no one bats an eyelash
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Dont Mess With Sucess
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Change wakinginuit's username to Black Snake Moam
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shriekingviolet posted:

There's some pretty simple racism going on when Qaddafi is accused of being decadent for dressing "flamboyantly" (read: not like a white person) while the functionaries of imperialism casually strut around in suits so expensive I could pawn one to pay my bills for a year and no one bats an eyelash



The propaganda-meisters love to see 'decadence' in wealth being flaunted by those who are not 'supposed' to have it.

Evivva Trimalchio!

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Bonaparte's conceit of generally sticking to a homely green chasseur's uniform at court while encouraging his marshals and prefects to go full Dolce & Gabbana has much to recommend it though.
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"Berlusconi has had more than a little trouble lately with embarrassing photos. So it must have been with a sinking ­feeling that he watched the Libyan leader descend the aircraft steps with another one pinned to his chest.

The photograph Gaddafi wore to several of the ceremonies on the opening day of his visit did not show young women in underwear by Berlusconi's poolside, let alone a former Czech prime minister in the altogether. But it was discomforting for his hosts all the same: it showed the Libyan resistance leader, Omar Mukhtar, the "Lion of the Desert", on the day before he was hanged by ­Italian colonialists in 1931."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/10/gaddafi-visit-italy-berlusconi
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chickeon
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RedMaistre posted:

One possible motive for Gaddaffi's changes in costume over the years is his ideological shift from Pan-Arabism to Pan-Africanism. In his early years, he was trying to imitate the relatively simple, and non-'native', garb of Nasser. In his later adoption of clothing in the style of traditional north African robes can be seen his greater identification with a identify distinct from the world of Arab nationalist politics.

that's actually makes more sense than anything else and I hadn't really considered it despite it naturally being obvious in retrospect, cheers.

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walkinginonit posted:

The post I made was about the change in Gadaffi's public persona as reported by the media. I wasn't suggesting there is some dichotomy of either Gadaffi the Tireless Revolutionary or Gadaffi the Scary A-Rab Boogeyman. I'm just curious about Gadaffi's media presentation, which is something's separate from Libya's democraticness.

You could just look here at 2m54s:



If you don't see a difference in personality between that video and the above picture I don't know what to tell you




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