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Although I appreciate you giving me an out, it's unfortunately mine. Mind summing up all the problems with him so I can correct my opinions?
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Haha, thanks tpaine. Feels like I've really made it now.
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bernie should run for office in palestine, i hear the people over there are in need of jobs more than many americans even
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RedMaistre posted:

RBC: Could you elaborate on why the chauvinism of Trump's policies regarding immigration should be a negligible concern?



What

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Lykourgos posted:

RedMaistre posted:

RBC: Could you elaborate on why the chauvinism of Trump's policies regarding immigration should be a negligible concern?

What



I repeat my question: Why are we not supposed to not be worried about the overt nativism of someone running to be President of the United States?

Herrenvolk democracy plus the promise of Universal Healthcare is still Herrenvolk Democracy, nonetheless.

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it's just making explicit the system that is already in place
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Red_Canadian posted:

Although I appreciate you giving me an out, it's unfortunately mine. Mind summing up all the problems with him so I can correct my opinions?



sure. *clears throat* go back to gbs *grabs you by the shoulders and begins shaking you uncontrollably* GO BACK TO GBS *breaks down into tears*

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Voting for any US candidate on the possibility that they will be far more restrained in the Middle East, regardless of his or her domestic positions, seems to work on the false assumption that its elections that restrain US war making, not the (1) development of anti-war (or at least war-critical) sentiment on the plane of civil society front (2) the international balance of forces, and (3) internal institutional antagonisms within the military-industrial complex/deep state. These are the factors that set the concrete boundaries for the foreign policy making that can be pursued by the POTUS, not whatever promises that are made on the campaign trail.

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tpaine posted:

oh my god it's 2008 again



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“I’m not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, ‘This is the way it’s got to be'......We can’t be all things to all people in the world. I am worried about over-committing our military around the world. I want to be judicious in its use. I don’t think nation-building missions are worthwhile."

--George W.Bush

#NeverForget
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RBC posted:

it's just making explicit the system that is already in place



Mass deportation and the abolition of birthright citizenship would mark the creation of a far more exclusive and unequal system than the one we have now, not the mere continuance of old, inherited inequities.

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probably time to update my avatar
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aerdil posted:

probably time to update my avatar


sanders or whoever can run with the same O, the O of Hope and Change. it can pass from candidate to candidate as a sacred mandala of aspiration

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aerdil posted:

Red_Canadian posted:

Although I appreciate you giving me an out, it's unfortunately mine. Mind summing up all the problems with him so I can correct my opinions?

sure. *clears throat* go back to gbs *grabs you by the shoulders and begins shaking you uncontrollably* GO BACK TO GBS *breaks down into tears*


Haha, have you read that place lately? The whole forum is going down after they shut down LF, it's just a slow death. I'm serious man, tell me why I'm wrong, and I'll change my opinion. He's a supporter of Israel, which sucks, but A: he's technically jewish, so that's kind of hard to get over for him and B: He's running for the United States president, so it's not like he can be all "the bombing starts in 5 minutes" anyways, the lobby is too powerful in the Senate and House.

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i'll clean it up later
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UNUSUALY COOL
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wtf is this thread
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The long repressed voices of Bernie sympathy and Trump mania rising to the surface. So it must be. Thank the Good Lord that there are waves at all and grab a bucket.
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Mike Nelson here.
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Red_Canadian posted:

He's a supporter of Israel, which sucks, but He's running for the United States president, so it's not like he can be all "the bombing starts in 5 minutes" anyways, the lobby is too powerful in the Senate and House.

be realistic: demand the impossible.

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i'm reading a few books about campaign strategy and it helps reinforce how little campaigns care about your individual vote really. they are dealing in terms of thousands. if you control a major institution or something your opinion matters, but you don't so you don't.
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Mike Nelson here.
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tpaine posted:

getfiscal would you be mad if i started referring to you irl as the jim hutton to my freddie mercury? because

i would be honoured if you referred to me in real life at all, clarence.

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Red_Canadian posted:

I kind of disagree with all the Bernie hate. I mean, guy's been a principled social democrat for his entire political career. His voting record is pretty decent, and he's not even a dumb liberal who votes to take guns from the workers.
Say he wins. Either things get better, or worse (or the same). Things get better, bam, guy who said he's socialist made things better, socialism looks better, people get more leftist, overton window goes further left. Things get worse, people who were committed to him because they thought he was a leftist feel betrayed, maybe they think that electoral politics is bullshit, since even a socialist can't make things better in the system, then it's time to bern() it all down!
I mean, I get it. Electoral politics is a bourgeois tool, real change is going to require more grassroots action. Ignoring that's exactly the position that Bernie is taking, at least a guy who says he's a democratic socialist would probably allow a bit more agitating then a republican.
TL;DR: Bernie's not perfect, but who else has a plan to take the reins of power within in the next year that's a better choice? Cause somebody's going to have it. If a socialist revolution starts before the election in the U.S, yeah, I'm going to support them over Bernie. Till then?



I guess I'll respond because I made the mistake of taking what might seems to be this view He's not a principled social democrat. Or a social democrat. Yes, he is a dumb liberal that votes to take guns away from workers. The overton window is ridiculous, please never mention it again. Again, the gun control issue look at this really racist shit he said:



There is nothing good about bernie. I was just saying that we shouldn't pretend we have a choice when it comes to these things and that I don't see anything blameworthy in trying to put a few more seconds on the fuggen doom clock by voting for the slightly less nazi guy. amerikkka has plans to destroy the middle east no matter what, but it might make things a little bit slower. or maybe not but even then calling for a boycott, instead of say, just focusing on other issues seems ridiculous.

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getfiscal posted:

tpaine posted:

getfiscal would you be mad if i started referring to you irl as the jim hutton to my freddie mercury? because

i would be honoured if you referred to me in real life at all, clarence.



ive definitely referred my handler to a few of the posters here

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hi
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please put this thread out of its misery
#147
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Sticky this thread till trump is president or drops out of the race (good luck!)
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tpaine posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

i just jizzed all over myself from how perfect that crazy asshole's kerning is

ahaha

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gonna vote for lawrence lessig
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Red_Canadian posted:

aerdil posted:

Red_Canadian posted:

Although I appreciate you giving me an out, it's unfortunately mine. Mind summing up all the problems with him so I can correct my opinions?

sure. *clears throat* go back to gbs *grabs you by the shoulders and begins shaking you uncontrollably* GO BACK TO GBS *breaks down into tears*

Haha, have you read that place lately? The whole forum is going down after they shut down LF, it's just a slow death. I'm serious man, tell me why I'm wrong, and I'll change my opinion. He's a supporter of Israel, which sucks, but A: he's technically jewish, so that's kind of hard to get over for him and B: He's running for the United States president, so it's not like he can be all "the bombing starts in 5 minutes" anyways, the lobby is too powerful in the Senate and House.



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elections don't matter, america is the least democratic country on earth. we just dont care because of relative abundance from the spoils of imperialism
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Trump wants to engage in protectionism and bring manufacturing back to America, thereby no longer exploiting the third world.

Trump also has so much money that he doesn't need to raise funds from special interests and can follow his conscience.
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Not Your S.H.I.E.L.D.
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tpaine posted:

oh my god it's 2008 again



good. 2008 was probably the last year i didnt spend every day actively wanting to die

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Not Your S.H.I.E.L.D.
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RedMaistre posted:

“I’m not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, ‘This is the way it’s got to be'......We can’t be all things to all people in the world. I am worried about over-committing our military around the world. I want to be judicious in its use. I don’t think nation-building missions are worthwhile."

--George W.Bush

#NeverForget



i literally cant read this without imagining the Hamster Dance song playing in the background

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It's funny that so many Americans are bandwagoning on Social Democracy at the same historical moment that its completely failing all over the world.
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walkinginonit posted:

It's funny that so many Americans are bandwagoning on Social Democracy at the same historical moment that its completely failing all over the world.


It's more of a nationalistic form of socialism. Socialism in one country, you might call it

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Socialism in one country plus a ton of bits stolen from all other counties but otherwise yes only technically in the one country
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cheeky nato's
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drwhat posted:

aerdil posted:

probably time to update my avatar

sanders or whoever can run with the same O, the O of Hope and Change. it can pass from candidate to candidate as a sacred mandala of aspiration



can Obama leave Sanders his saved-up political capital in his will, or is it subject to inheritance tax?