Superabound posted:its funny how terrified right wing Americans are of U.S. TANKS????? rolling down the STREETS???? anywhere but on the teevee a million miles away
or even just a mile away as long as theyre actively being used on people with the right color or politics
Hasn't that been precisely one of the notable features of Ferguson (and not just Ferguson), the parallels between the highly militarized police response and the tactics of America's occupying armies abroad?
How to convince people to see a connection between the two is a question of pedagogy.
Wealthy Jewish bankers literally fund 99% of radical left movements
WAKE UP LIBERALS. IT'S HAPPENING
RedMaistre posted:Considering that Nazism was the return of colonial techniques and mentalities from the colonial periphery to the core itself, and the more general historical inter-relationship between first world policing and counter-insurgency, suspecting what is done in Baghdad or Kandahar may eventually be used in the United States itself is not unreasonable.
Hasn't that been precisely one of the notable features of Ferguson (and not just Ferguson), the parallels between the highly militarized police response and the tactics of America's occupying armies abroad?
RedMaistre posted:Hasn't that been precisely one of the notable features of Ferguson (and not just Ferguson), the parallels between the highly militarized police response and the tactics of America's occupying armies abroad?
yes, but it's fairly clear that this specific operation is a training exercise and the people putting up a stink about it either supported the cops in Ferguson or didn't give a shit. i mean alex jones' site posted fake shit about darren wilson's broken eye socket and fearmongered more about the looting & NBPP than the militarized police response to the protests, and he's about as "anti-police" as the right-wing in America gets.
of course i oppose Jade Helm since the lessons learned from it will eventually be used to support US imperialism in the third world. but the hubbub is mostly from people who oppose the US federal govt for All The Wrong Reasons.
2. Further, the fact that the people putting up a stink about it have objectionable opinions on matter x, y, and z doesn't mean they don't have a point (As you have made clear on multiple occasions,you don't write off entirely as totalitarian demons deserving of eradication various foreign governments despite your caveats about them). Or more to the point: what they think or don't think does not determine what in fact is the purpose of such maneuvers.
3. Compartmentalization of outrage is part of the propaganda machine: Issues are more or less subtly coded as being 'blue' or 'red', so that their respective average audiences write off the reaction of the opposite camp as the other side getting unreasonably mad For All the Wrong Reasons. Not to say that such persons don't exists --but the effect of this communication segmentation is to focus you, the media consumer, on people who are probably about as powerless as you, and their perceptions, instead of whatever scheme which has to remain obscure.
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HenryKrinkle posted:i guess i haven't looked into it that much tbh. where did jools discuss this "training to deport Hispanics" theory?
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RedMaistre posted:I think most people would be more terrified of the prospect of tanks rolling down their own neighborhood streets than of tanks that are a million miles away.
How to convince people to see a connection between the two is a question of pedagogy.
oh so just because i Support Are Troops im a gay pedophile now?
Superabound posted:RedMaistre posted:I think most people would be more terrified of the prospect of tanks rolling down their own neighborhood streets than of tanks that are a million miles away.
How to convince people to see a connection between the two is a question of pedagogy.oh so just because i Support Are Troops im a gay pedophile now?
You may be confusing me with Jasbir Puar. Or maybe just this guy.
RedMaistre posted:Considering that Nazism was the return of colonial techniques and mentalities from the colonial periphery to the core itself,
You getting this from Hannah Arendt or is there any Marxist literature on this?
A Relevant Passage:
Fascism was a monster born of capitalist parents. Fascism came as the end-product of centuries of capitalist bestiality, exploitation, domination and racism-mainly exercised outside of Europe. It is highly significant that many settlers and colonial officials displayed a leaning towards fascism. Apartheid in South Africa is nothing but fascism. It was gaining roots ever since the early period of white colonisation in the 17th century, and particularly after the mining industry brought South Africa fully into the capitalist orbit in the 19th century. Another example of the fascist potential of colonialism was seen when France was overrun by Nazi Germany in 1940. The French fascists collaborated with Hitler to establish what was called the Vichy regime in France, and the French white settlers in Africa supported the Vichy regime. A more striking instance to the same effect was the fascist ideology developed by the white settlers in Algeria, who not only opposed independence for Algeria under Algerian rule, but they also strove to bring down the more progressive or liberal governments of metropolitan France.
Inside Europe itself, some specific and highly revealing connections can be found between colonialist behaviour and the destruction of the few contributions made by capitalism to human development. For instance, when Colonel Von Lettow returned from leading the German forces in East Africa in World War I, he was promoted to a general in the German army, and Von Lettow was in command of the massacre of German communists in Hamburg in 1918. That was a decisive turning point in German history, for once the most progressive workers had been crushed, the path was clear for the fascist deformation of the future. In brutally suppressing the Maji Maji War in Tanganyika and in attempting genocide against the Herero people of Namibia (South West Africa), the German ruling class were getting the experience which they later applied against the Jews and against German workers and progressives.
When the fascist dictatorship was inaugurated in Portugal in 1926, it drew inspiration from Portugal’s colonial past. After Salazar became the dictator in 1932, he stated that his ‘New State’ in Portugal would be based on the labour the ‘inferior peoples’, meaning of course Africans. In addition, Portuguese peasants and workers had to submit to police terror, poverty and dehumanisation, so they paid (and are still paying) a high price for fascism at home and colonialism abroad.
Colonialism strengthened the Western European ruling class and capitalism as a whole. Particularly in its later it was evidently giving a new lease of life to a mode of production that was otherwise dying. From every view-point other than that of the minority class of capitalists, colonialism was a monstrous institution holding back the liberation of man.
walkinginonit posted:RedMaistre posted:Considering that Nazism was the return of colonial techniques and mentalities from the colonial periphery to the core itself,
You getting this from Hannah Arendt or is there any Marxist literature on this?
There are several Marxist authors who write on this theme. Ernest Mandel, Enzo Traverso, and Domenico Losurdo are ones that come most immediately to mind.
Outside of the Marxist tradition in the strict sense, there is Aime Cesaire and Fanon, who both write in this vein with greater acuity than Arendt, imo.
RedMaistre posted:Aime Cesaire
that one quote richard seymour always brings up. yeah that's a good one.
http://www.leninology.co.uk/2006/03/discourse-on-colonialism.html
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