c_man posted:

one day i hope to be discredited by a jacobin writer

since bourgeois revolution ended in napoleon, that's already happened to everyone on this entire forum

stegosaurus posted:

Rihizzione Comunista

getfiscal posted:

sometimes i imagine going to italy next year on exchange. except most people who do that dream of fucking in an orchard or something but i just want to talk about state theory with italians. if patriarchy ends though obviously... when in rome!

i might be going to italy to study in a couple months if i qualify on an admissions test. one of the schools i could have picked was the aldo moro university of bari lol

Themselves posted:

one time i talked to mccaine on aim

i, too, am gay

Urbandale posted:

US leftists long ago decided communism was dead, thats why the DSA and 3rd campist orgs have the most bodies. talking openly and honestly about the KKE is an alien concept

in my trot group i just sent out the KKE statement in this thread as required reading for a discussion i'm initiating

camera_obscura posted:

i'm probably being kind of an idiot here but i feel like ol' jac' devotes way, way too much attention to greece

like, why even?

its bc they're white. i really do think its that simple.

shriekingviolet posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

camera_obscura posted:

i'm probably being kind of an idiot here but i feel like ol' jac' devotes way, way too much attention to greece

like, why even?



its bc they're white. i really do think its that simple.

this is interesting, because in the western world's media and sate attitudes we're seeing the reemergence of a racialist discourse that excludes the greeks as a "White" racial/ethnic group from the construct of "whiteness" regardless of skin colour, much as the irish and italians once were, as a function of their new exploited/subservient economic status in the empire. the greeks are being portrayed in the media as lazy deadbeat degenerates not willing to play the game and work for "the good life," while capitalist propaganda tells the western labour aristocracy and academia they have earned it (or must strive to earn it) through their own virtue: the same excuse that has been used for marginalization and subjugation by every empire.

imho much of the media attention around greece centers around this un-whitening narrative, which has vast consequences in the context of the continuously growing white-supremacist toned xenophobic eurozone. its always been there, but the disavowal and exploitation of greece marks a new and even more deadly turn of eurofascism.

This is true but I think the reverse happens on the left, where many white socialists identify with white struggles, even while the right makes them less white. I think with the USSR, while Russians were being Orientalized white leftists were identifying more and more with the theoretical debates of the early Bolsheviks against the theoretical progress made by African, Asian, and Latin American revolutionaries and socialist countries. This is a thesis I have with no evidence, just a feeling.

babyhueypnewton posted:

This is true but I think the reverse happens on the left, where many white socialists identify with white struggles, even while the right makes them less white. I think with the USSR, while Russians were being Orientalized white leftists were identifying more and more with the theoretical debates of the early Bolsheviks against the theoretical progress made by African, Asian, and Latin American revolutionaries and socialist countries. This is a thesis I have with no evidence, just a feeling.

There's plenty of evidence that the white left has deeply embedded currents of white supremacy, imho. And not just in the territorial pissings of bored students and CIA plants talking theory, in an active organization you'll see plenty of comrades paying lip service to addressing and dismantling the problem of whiteness... until you try to implement actual material changes that will genuinely affect an org's white supremacist power structures/culture. Then they'll turn on you immediately and start furiously vomiting up the exact same racist liberal bullshit they were denouncing a week ago. It is eerily predictable.