this was pretty informative for me
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the bourgeois falsification of history
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RedMaistre posted:Mandel's short book on the topic both answers to your description and is Pretty Good, though I don't entirely agree with his analysis.
trotskyist positions on ww2 always baffle me, although tbh i've never read any of their books about it. i think the cliffites even go as far as to say that because the soviets were "state-capitalist" that defence of the soviet union wasn't necessary which is weird. in canada all the trots complain that supporting the war effort killed the socialist movement which i dunno... i'm more likely to blame actual hitler.
Panopticon posted:
not seeing a problem here
getfiscal posted:"Whoever wants to know a thing has no way of doing so except by coming into contact with it, that is, by living (practicing) in its environment. ... If you want knowledge, you must take part in the practice of changing reality. If you want to know the taste of a pear, you must change the pear by eating it yourself.... If you want to know the theory and methods of revolution, you must take part in revolution. All genuine knowledge originates in direct experience." - Mao Zedong
i'm glad to finally have a clear direct quote to explain why i don't know anything about anything
cars posted:Panopticon posted:http://iliketowastemytime.com/sites/default/files/soviet-censorship-naval-commissar-vanishes.jpg
not seeing a problem here
somebody went back in time and stopped Nikolai Yezhov's dad from banging his mom at prom. its a pretty big problem!
getfiscal posted:RedMaistre posted:Mandel's short book on the topic both answers to your description and is Pretty Good, though I don't entirely agree with his analysis.
trotskyist positions on ww2 always baffle me, although tbh i've never read any of their books about it. i think the cliffites even go as far as to say that because the soviets were "state-capitalist" that defence of the soviet union wasn't necessary which is weird. in canada all the trots complain that supporting the war effort killed the socialist movement which i dunno... i'm more likely to blame actual hitler.
Earnest Mandel was of the persuasion that views the USSR and other actually existing socialisms as "deformed workers' states", so his position towards the USSR was much more positive than that--to the point that some accused him of being an apologist for Stalinism.
RedMaistre posted:some accused him of being an apologist for Stalinism.
to be fair it really doesnt take much to get this response
c_man posted:RedMaistre posted:some accused him of being an apologist for Stalinism.
to be fair it really doesnt take much to get this response
you say "to be fair" as if it was a bad thing.
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Panopticon posted:the bourgeois falsification of history
HAHA YEA... MAKES U THINK