#12521
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i found one of the chapters of the book online
http://www.rupe-india.org/59/gao.html
#12522
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i just finished the prague cemetary and it was really good
#12523
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i read aout a hundred pages of oedipus at stalingrad and it sucks

what a title though
#12524
Poronto
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ilmdge posted:

yah thats from the same thing

Me, since I think NATO is Darth Vader, the problem doesn’t come up. If Darth Vader wants to intervene against some other mini-Darth to save a bunch of revolutionaries, how can one react but to say, “cool! that’s pretty ironic but I’m really glad it happened.” Does that mean I “support” Darth Vader? Of course not. He’s an evil imperialist. Does that mean I’ll be out protesting what he did just because I know his ultimate motives are bound to be insidious? No, of course not either, because first of all, protest implies I think Darth _could_ be acting in a more principled fashion, and second of all - and this is critical - I’m not a political party or government that has to have a “line” on every world issue anyway. But like the author of this piece, I will certainly step in to make my opinion known once Darth actively starts to try to subvert the revolutionaries, as he inevitably will.


hes good and smart "lets let the imperialists overthrow this regime and not speak up because we can just speak up after the bombings but befre they subvert the reolution" lol ok



no one is allowed to say Darth Vader this many times in one paragraph

#12525
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was mao good or bad. why did china become capitalist. who ,eaves coins on my eyelids every night. Someone recommend some literature. somebody cut somebody a cheque
#12526
Mike Nelson here.
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i haven't completed a book since i started feeling a bit better 6 weeks ago. i've read a little bit here and there but not a lot. shameful. i'm going to read a bit over the next week to make up for it.
#12527
Kurdt
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thats like changing your socks during a hitting streak
#12528
Mike Nelson here.
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gyrofry posted:

thats like changing your socks during a hitting streak

lol good point

#12529
hi
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The Killing of Osama bin Laden
Seymour M. Hersh

#12530
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so good.
#12531
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really good article, one thing struck me as weird though:

"Walk-ins are assumed by the CIA to be unreliable, and the response from the agency’s headquarters was to fly in a polygraph team. The walk-in passed the test."

does the CIA think polygraphs are legit?
#12532
hi
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the US fed govt has this love affair w/ polygraphs in spite (or because of) a complete lack of evidence they are any more useful than dowsing rods.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/30/AR2006043001006_pf.html
#12533
Mike Nelson here.
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Can we cool it with the constant slights on rhabdomancy
#12534
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CIA and polygraphs: a little backstory
http://web.archive.org/web/20150419181515/http://www.afio.com/publications/SULLIVAN%20Polygraphs%202014Aug27%20DRAFT.pdf
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hi
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Wikipedia posted:

In 2013 the U.S. federal government had begun indicting individuals who stated that they were teaching methods on how to defeat a polygraph test.

#12536
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i can def imagine them using it as a way to intimidate suspects, to bully confessions out of people or to try to legitimise actions that they were going to do anyway, but actually bothering to fly people out to 'authenticate' a tipoff surprises me. i will read this articles tho thnx
#12537
hi
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http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-polygraph-indicted-allegedly-training-customers-lir-during-federally-administered
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#12541
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Makeshift_Swahili posted:

actually bothering to fly people out to 'authenticate' a tipoff surprises me.


the value of polygraphing a walk-in is probably more to do with ritual than anything. besides, why let that probably bottomless polygraph team travel budget go to waste

#12542
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polygraphs are a scientistic ritual in which the CIA operative channels Truth Spirits, allowing the operative to act with conviction when they feel like murdering people with absolutely no sane justification. if they find they are in need of especially large quantities of conviction they may request a professional polygraph shaman to perform the ritual instead of leaving it up to the laity.
#12543
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the scope of the outraged denial being currently leveled at hersh can only confirm his rightness

#dontbesmirchthehersh
#12544
Dont Mess With Sucess
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The point of getting a polygraph test is so that you get evidence so that later if someone asks why did you do what you did? you can say look at this evidence. It doesnt have to be good evidence or even evidence. You just have to be able to say "i had evidence" and people forever ask, maybe were they just backward old ultraconservative backwoods superstititious old pieces of old ultrareligious poop the whole time? And foever the odor of blame is on Science instead of Yuo
#12545
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heeyyyoooooooo http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakistanis-knew-where-bin-laden-was-say-us-sources-n357306
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#12547
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This point by point response to the Vox hack piece by Corey Pein was excellent.

http://coreypein.net/blog/2015/11/05/hersh-vox-bin-laden/
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#12549
Mike Nelson here.
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i was reading an article about a lawyer in toronto who took on thousands of legal aid cases for roma refugees. it appears he did almost nothing to try to represent them correctly, just trying to keep a veneer that he was working their case, and would accept bribes to actually pay attention. and a bunch of refugee groups and such were like oh my god this guy botched so many cases. so they took it to the law society which had a three year investigation. they decided to suspend him for five months. lurve the bourgeoisie.
#12550
Mike Nelson here.
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oh i was confused. the money issue was that he called one of the refugee support organizations recently and said he'd donate $5,000 to them if they testified in his favour. also the refugee groups were primarily asking that he be directed to cooperate with other lawyers to go through the cases so they could work on the files. he was not asked to do that.
#12551
Mike Nelson here.
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i went to legal aid today though and they were helpful and nice as usual.
#12552
Kurdt
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cool story bro
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#12554
Mike Nelson here.
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gyrofry posted:

cool story bro

#12555
Mike Nelson here.
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tpaine posted:

did they give you aids legally lmao

just lose hiv

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RedMaistre posted:

This point by point response to the Vox hack piece by Corey Pein was excellent.

http://coreypein.net/blog/2015/11/05/hersh-vox-bin-laden/



Are we really to believe that special forces would spend who knows how long gleefully carving up bin Laden like horror movie villains, and then later reaching into the body bag to chuck pieces of him out of a helicopter, for no reason at all? On the most sensitive and important operation of their careers?

#12557
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I mean, sure.
#12558
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So sites like Gawker have reported on the NYT and NBC reports etc, about how they back up elements of Hersh's story, and the comments are full of people who have shifted from writing off Hersh's version completely to just saying "oh well, maybe it makes sense that we actually found bin laden from a walk in tip off, but who cares? what difference does it make???", and still acting like Hersh is no better than an Infowars blogger. Well, even if that was the only claim the story made, it would still be a big deal.

https://newmatilda.com/2015/05/14/killing-bin-laden-seymour-hershs-explosive-revelations-are-worth-taking-seriously posted:

The revelation about how Bin Laden was found was significant. As Hersh notes, the CIA claimed that it was the use of torture that led to the courier that led to the discovery of Bin Laden. As it turns out, there was no courier. This was just a tawdry attempt at justifying torture, immortalised in the Hollywood pro-torture extravaganza, Zero Dark Thirty. There is no more effective way of justifying torture than by claiming it was necessary to fight back against the 9/11 terrorists, and that movie’s existence will always be an excellent reminder of Hollywood’s role in amplifying in emotionally manipulative ways the American government’s propaganda.

More sadly, the US decided to conceal Pakistani cooperation in getting Bin Laden, by claiming a fake vaccination process led to his identification. As a result, the Taliban began a campaign of assassinating vaccination workers. In Australia, we have herd immunity. In a country like Pakistan, with high levels of poverty and illiteracy, the effect of hijacking vaccinations in a Western plot has been disastrous.

According to Hersh, the vaccination program by former CIA asset Shakil Afridi was legitimate at the time of the assassination, but had previously been used as part of an intelligence effort.

#12559
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does anybody have a photo of j. sakai
#12560
Mike Nelson here.
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Neon_Night_Rider posted:

does anybody have a photo of j. sakai

I'm sure that one of your police colleagues could pull one up for you.