#1
some guy on facebook asked me and I don't want to be owned
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i told him he touches himself at night and he asked what that had to do with anything and if that was supposed to be funny. Im running out of options here
#3
try globalresearch.ca
#4
years of lf posting have rendered me unable to read anything longer than a paragraph
#5
also i work for a living dammit i don't have time to do research
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#7
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/12/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state/

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2009/12/2009121274712823455.html

http://fpif.org/the_royal_treatment_saudi_involvement_in_iraq_overlooked/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4431601

https://archive.today/eDBnd
#8
quick vote for the sexiest voice or whatever the fuck the latest voting reality show is actually about
#9
do these all exist as links in your bookmarks or do you have some kind of library system for this krinkle?
#10
i'm actually working on a long blog post on the US-instigated destruction of Iraqi society and i'm currently collecting a bunch of sources about ISIS in Google Docs.
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#12
post your blog!!
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discipline posted:

hey henry did you know they play radio shows in iraq to educate kurds about the holocaust in europe and draw connections between israel and kurdistan for the audience



fucked up

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discipline posted:

hey henry did you know they play radio shows in iraq to educate kurds about the holocaust in europe and draw connections between israel and kurdistan for the audience


0.0;

#17
if true
#18

discipline posted:

hey henry did you know they play radio shows in iraq to educate kurds about the holocaust in europe and draw connections between israel and kurdistan for the audience



its real mean to encourage an entire race to commit suicide

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HK's links are v good and I would also recommend http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection

S. Hersh in Bloody 2007 Mates! Crickey posted:

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.



it's a good read re: the AQI days and how it relates to US objectives in neighboring countries

#20
i read an article in i think some paper of record which was written by a former ISIS hostage, and he goes over how ISIS were connected (maybe not directly) but i think tolerated by the Syrian rebel forces we were funding. it was quite a long article. anybody know what im talking about? tried to google it to no avail.
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got it. it was actually that FSA was tolerating al nusra front i think

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/magazine/theo-padnos-american-journalist-on-being-kidnapped-tortured-and-released-in-syria.html?_r=0

have a read,


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The main opposition group, the Free Syrian Army, founded by former Assad generals and considered moderate by many in the West, had taken over the two most important border crossings north of Aleppo.



The F.S.A., it turned out, had given me to the Nusra Front, or Jebhat al Nusra, which was using the Children’s Hospital in Aleppo as a headquarters and a prison.



I returned to the F.S.A. troops. One told me that his unit had recently traveled to Jordan to receive training from American forces in fighting groups like the Nusra Front.

“Really?” I said. “The Americans? I hope it was good training.”

“Certainly, very,” he replied.

The fighters stared at me. I stared at them.

After a few moments, I asked, “About this business of fighting Jebhat al Nusra?”

“Oh, that,” one said. “We lied to the Americans about that.”



anyway, the jist of the article is that FSA and al-nusra were in somewhat of an alliance, both were fighting isis but many al-nusra fighters were defecting to isis. idk anything about syria so make of this article what you will.

#23
did u successfully own the normie on fb lgp?
#24
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/05/isis-idf-link/
#25

xipe posted:

did u successfully own the normie on fb lgp?



no he lolled at me for quoting fars news agency ("even PressTV thinks they're full of shit" um hello source?) and then unfriended me

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I will probably write up something proper about it one day (once I get round to finishing all the other megaposts I have half-done) but the FSA's relationship to al-Nusra and ISIS is very interesting. There were a number of mass "defections" of FSA troops to ISIS reported a while back and they took their US-funded equipment with them.

The most interesting aspect to me is the Syrian Support Group, the US-based NGO that raised funds for and handled shipments of supplies to the FSA from early 2012 to late 2014. SSG received a very unusual license from the US Treasury Dept in 2012 to provide support to the FSA - unusual because licenses tend to be general, covering US companies in certain sectors like telecommunications or aid to do business in countries that are otherwise prohibited. A license for a specific organisation to provide aid to a rebel military group, not so much. But I suppose these sorts of things are to be expected when your govt relations guy previously spent 6 years working "in NATO operations in Brussels".

Some of the other people involved in SSG are interesting too. There's Oubai Shahbandar, who spent 8 years as a "Foreign Affairs Officer" with the DoD before joining SSG. These days he is based in Arlington and is a principal at Dubai-based Dragoman Partners, along with Top Secret-cleared former ExxonMobil exec Ali Khedery, former diplomat and Iraqi extremist liaison Jeffrey Beals, and CFR member Dr Carl Schramm. It's hard to know what Dragoman Partners actually do (their website says something vague about facilitating western business in the middle east), but Ali Khedery frequently pops up in US media as an expert on Iraq. Here's something he wrote for Foreign Policy about Iran-backed militias being the real threat: http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/19/irans-shiite-militias-are-running-amok-in-iraq/

tl;dr Fuck to america
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discipline are fars news agency full of shit? they published this http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921021000393
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littlegreenpills posted:

discipline are fars news agency full of shit? they published this http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921021000393


they were trolling

http://www.rhizzone.net/forum/topic/12760/?page=1#post-274583

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discipline posted:

It's so obvious and common knowledge if you're here. What's weirder is that everyone outside thinks it's a crack conspiracy theory


Meanwhile, back on Planet Amercia, http://nypost.com/2014/06/20/how-irans-spy-chief-paid-for-the-benghazi-attack/

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Petrol posted:

discipline posted:

It's so obvious and common knowledge if you're here. What's weirder is that everyone outside thinks it's a crack conspiracy theory

Meanwhile, back on Planet Amercia, http://nypost.com/2014/06/20/how-irans-spy-chief-paid-for-the-benghazi-attack/


"He’s the Wizard of Oz of Iranian terror"

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#33
Like does that mean he's a fiction or that he's more than the moniker belies or that I seriously live in a world where we think we can convince the American public that invading iran will help defeat isis or is this just all a terrible nightmare
#34
Of course it will "defeat" isis, because after a few years isis will no longer test well with the focus groups and a new comic book villain global jihad conpsiracy network will miraculously spring up and they'll be forgotten about.
#35
It gets a little sadder as you get older and realize people prefer to be governed by their fear, greed, envy and hatred
#36
woops not the drinking subforum
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discipline posted:

It's so obvious and common knowledge if you're here. What's weirder is that everyone outside thinks it's a crack conspiracy theory



i met future widow today and she asked if i knew how you were doing and what you were up to and there was this wistful look in her eyes i dont know what to make of it

#39
let me talk to her
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