#281
Babyfinlands initial point that urbanization is more responsible for increased population is still really stupid especially when he at the same time grasps that the initial large dense populations in cities prior to technological advancements were shitbeds of disease with a lower life expectancy than cavemen. To say nothing of the fact that rural people have more children anyway
#282
or not
#283

guidoanselmi posted:
real science chat
Spoiler!
I want to invite rhizzone posters to submit their ideas for revolutionary concepts in space flight for the NASA NIAC program. they changed their program slightly to reallllly lower the bar on entry.

All that's needed is a two page white paper for an architectural concept that greatly changes the way space flight is done.

The site is here: http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/early_stage_innovation/niac/
You'll need to sign up for NSPIRES, the NASA online proposal site thingy: https://nspires.nasaprs.com



space travel is a fantasy for those so broken they can see the end of the world but not the end of capitalism.

ban space travel until we have cut the numbers of people living in abject poverty by at least 80%

#284
anyone have a short and informative essay on how moderns try and estimate the average life expectancies in various, ancient societies? Or just a quick answer if that's all it takes.
#285
urbanization is indeed linked to technological changes and how they affect the economic superstructure.

so basically we have science to thank for the miserably, muddy slums of the global south, none of which could exist without the science and technological developments that drove people off their lands into small tin huts so 10 year olds could eat by smelting down goatsteins old smartphone after stripping it for copper and child porn.
#286

Lessons posted:

gyrofry posted:
thug lessons is a marxist who worships karl popper

not really i just believe science is a thing



a bold proposition, but i am inclined to go along with you on it.







(here google books fails me, guess theyre on the side of sopapipa after all)
world worlds as a world, only then does the ring shine forth, the joining from which the ringing of earth and heaven, divinities and mortals, wrests itself free for that compliancy of simple oneness.
In accordance with this ring thinging itself is unpretentiousness, and each present thing, modestly compliant, fits into its own being. Inconspicuously compliant is the thing: the jug and the bench, the footbridge and the plow. But tree and pond, too, brook and hill, are things, each in its own way. Things, each thinging from time to time in its own way, are heron and roe, deer, horse and bull. Things, each thinging and each staying in its own way, are mirror and clasp, book and picture, crown and cross.
But things are also compliant and modest in number, compared with the countless objects everywhere of equal value, compared with the measureless mass of men as living beings.
Men alone, as mortals, by dwelling attain to the world as a world. Only what conjoins itself out of world becomes a thing.

edit: the last bit there might be confusing due to my editorial decision to being screenshotting after the discussion of humans as "rational living beings" vs humans as "mortals", "called mortals because they can die. To die means to be capable of death as death. ... Death is the shrine of Nothing, that is, of that which in every respect is never something that merely exists, but which nevertheless presences, even as the mystery of Being itself. As the shrine of Nothing, death harbors within itself the presencing of Being. As the shrine of Nothing, death is the shelter of Being. We now call mortals mortals--not because their earthly life comes to an end, but because they are capable of death as death. Mortals are who they are, as mortals, present in the shelter of Being. They are the presencing relation to Being as Being."

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#287
i have no idea what that means
#288

babyfinland posted:

shennong posted:

discipline posted:
Congratulations to Baby Finland for being accepted into the Harvard PhD program

RIP

?



if i could go back in time and tell myself one thing, it would be "don't go to graduate school or u will die". ymmv

#289

guidoanselmi posted:
real science chat
Spoiler!
I want to invite rhizzone posters to submit their ideas for revolutionary concepts in space flight for the NASA NIAC program. they changed their program slightly to reallllly lower the bar on entry.

All that's needed is a two page white paper for an architectural concept that greatly changes the way space flight is done.

The site is here: http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/early_stage_innovation/niac/
You'll need to sign up for NSPIRES, the NASA online proposal site thingy: https://nspires.nasaprs.com



i propose to send quadriplegic astronauts to mars. that way after they lose 60% of their bone density during the journey and break all their bones on landing, they'll be used to doin shit w/o musculoskeletal assistance anyway

#290

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
urbanization is indeed linked to technological changes and how they affect the economic superstructure.

so basically we have science to thank for the miserably, muddy slums of the global south, none of which could exist without the science and technological developments that drove people off their lands into small tin huts so 10 year olds could eat by smelting down goatsteins old smartphone after stripping it for copper and child porn.



Technically that is science's fault for making it possible for viable birth rates to skyrocket, life expectancy to double and deaths from disease to be cut to historically unbelievable lows in the absence of cultural changes to get this species of six foot tribbles to stop farting out babies that they fully well know will undoubtedly live on monstrous conditions

#291

shennong posted:

babyfinland posted:

shennong posted:

discipline posted:
Congratulations to Baby Finland for being accepted into the Harvard PhD program

RIP

?

if i could go back in time and tell myself one thing, it would be "don't go to graduate school or u will die". ymmv



people say this all the time but it sounds like socialization more than real, its kind of hard to take seriously

#292
It's imperialisms fault I gotta jizz in the front hole
#293

babyfinland posted:
i have no idea what that means



tbh i havent actually read the essay ("the thing", "das ding") yet so i just jumped to the end to find something vaguely applicable to lessons alarmingly casual use of such terminology. it seems to follow a lot of what he says in the question concerning technology though, and of course, i think heidegger would say that science/technology isnt a "thing" at all, but rather the opposite: the destining of enframing in which nothing is allowed to be a thing and instead challenged forth into the standing reserve. i find this discussion (specifically about "the origin of the work of art" but all these late heideggers run into and through each other) to be especially helpful

#294
you lost me at the end there. you should write a little heidegger for noobies thread
#295

shennong posted:
i propose to send quadriplegic astronauts to mars. that way after they lose 60% of their bone density during the journey and break all their bones on landing, they'll be used to doin shit w/o musculoskeletal assistance anyway



i see this as a great way to validate ragdoll physics engines. go for it!

#296

babyfinland posted:

shennong posted:

babyfinland posted:

shennong posted:

discipline posted:
Congratulations to Baby Finland for being accepted into the Harvard PhD program

RIP

?

if i could go back in time and tell myself one thing, it would be "don't go to graduate school or u will die". ymmv

people say this all the time but it sounds like socialization more than real, its kind of hard to take seriously



i think the phd non-completion rate overall is like 50% and avg time to completion is ~6 or 7 years now. i think humanities grad programs may work totally differently but science programs are pretty kafka-esque

#297

shennong posted:

babyfinland posted:

shennong posted:

babyfinland posted:

shennong posted:

discipline posted:
Congratulations to Baby Finland for being accepted into the Harvard PhD program

RIP

?

if i could go back in time and tell myself one thing, it would be "don't go to graduate school or u will die". ymmv

people say this all the time but it sounds like socialization more than real, its kind of hard to take seriously

i think the phd non-completion rate overall is like 50% and avg time to completion is ~6 or 7 years now. i think humanities grad programs may work totally differently but science programs are pretty kafka-esque



i havent actually been accepted anywhere, khamsek was just playing. but i do want to do it, and it would be in humanities (inner asia studies)

#298
DATA POSTIJN

#299

tpaine posted:
bye bye balls


#300

shennong posted:
DATA POSTIJN



what am i looking at?

this all reminds me i'm (very likely) giving up my prestigious dream job to go back to the life of a lowly grad student for a phd this fall. i probably have very little to directly gain by doing this (work experience is enough of an education) and i think my primary justification is to hold on to what's left of my 20s in the presence of youth rather than a stream of early retirements and layoffs.

that and i'd get to be able to teach physics rather than engineering. meh.

#301

guidoanselmi posted:
what am i looking at?

this all reminds me i'm (very likely) giving up my prestigious dream job to go back to the life of a lowly grad student for a phd this fall. i probably have very little to directly gain by doing this (work experience is enough of an education) and i think my primary justification is to hold on to what's left of my 20s in the presence of youth rather than a stream of early retirements and layoffs.

that and i'd get to be able to teach physics rather than engineering. meh.



are you likely to get laid off? imo i would try to seek equivalent training w/ your employer rather than leave outright for gradschool. that reminds me, i think our union might walk out this year

the pic is a 14 um coronal slice through a fish retina. blue is a dye that stains cell nuclei, green stains muller glia (type of neuron/stem cell in fish retinas) and red stains bipolar neurons. "glowing" nuclei were labelled cotemparaneously and represent a cohort of cells contributed to the retina over a day or two. the way overexposed thing in the top left is the lens of the eye, which for some reason binds a shitload of the glow dye, lol. you can see some red "ghosts" at the bottom which are photoreceptors autofluorescing.

i like making & looking at these images but i really hate doing the analysis because i have to stare at shit like all day and it gives me a haedche

#302
basically science is the art of trying to solve problems caused by science and in the process creating new problems
#303
and then hiring armies of chinese and brazilian postdocs to act out your machiavellian fantasies withj
#304

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
basically science is the art of trying to solve problems caused by science and in the process creating new problems



bye bye balls; hello tampax

#305
hey yall, dont be a grad student!!

*is a grad student*

it sure is tough, let me tell ya!

*reapplies*

You dont have to be crazy to work here, but it helps!
#306
oh man if i wasnt a grad student my life would be sooo much better.. well anyway, gotta reg for these classes!
#307
seriously have i told you how much money id be making right now if it werent for grad school? anyway, off to grad school!
#308
i rather be in college, in some manner (except janitor) for the rest of my life than have to go out into the real world and get a job
#309

babyhueypnewton posted:

tpaine posted:
bye bye balls

#310
[account deactivated]
#311
please dont jerk off in the shower
#312

babyfinland posted:
people say this all the time but it sounds like socialization more than real, its kind of hard to take seriously



yeh, being a doctor is pretty awesome when you get down to it. Whenever people are running around calling for one I am always so happy to say "YEP IM A DOCTOR LET ME THROUGH" but truth be told they're usually calling for someone outside my field of expertise. I just correct them in those instances, "oh well i'm a jurisprudence doctor, if you want a medical one try the hospital"

#313

shennong posted:
are you likely to get laid off? imo i would try to seek equivalent training w/ your employer rather than leave outright for gradschool. that reminds me, i think our union might walk out this year



i was at risk for layoff but i've found some pretty solid work and i've made a nice niche. the person who could otherwise easily do my job is my ad hoc mentor who'll be forced to retire because he will refuse to sign new security paperwork come later this year (really BS move on NASA/DOJ's part: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_v._Nelson ).

i could have studied for the first part of my phd, masters, or professional degree parttime at work and had it paid for - but I'm really bad at devoting my time to homework if I don't immerse myself in the academic environment (I took a few classes where i found this out the hard way). i'll also be going back to my old adviser who more or less has a project lined up that should have me graduating in 5 years and involves a trip to antarctica.

my goal is to secure some research funding through my job so that when i leave i get to keep my 'employment.' i'll probably be wrapping up some work as i go to school. best case scenario is i get some money, become PI and later employ myself over the summer as a graduate student researcher.

#314
that sounds like a good plan, nasa experience prob makes you a good candidate for a tenure track position as well i'd imagine
#315

spoon posted:
seriously have i told you how much money id be making right now if it werent for grad school? anyway, off to grad school!



lol yeah!! it's almost as though not everyone has the privilege to walk away from a steady paycheque because of bad working conditions and be fashionably unemployed railing lines of meth at starbucks or whaqever passes for genuine proletarian activity here

#316

shennong posted:

spoon posted:
seriously have i told you how much money id be making right now if it werent for grad school? anyway, off to grad school!

lol yeah!! it's almost as though not everyone has the privilege to walk away from a steady paycheque because of bad working conditions and be fashionably unemployed railing lines of meth at starbucks or whaqever passes for genuine proletarian activity here



whoa whoa whoa i know for a fact that starbucks has a strict union policy prohibiting insufflation of prescription medication

#317
also what's a "steady paycheck", where can i get one of those
#318

shennong posted:

spoon posted:
seriously have i told you how much money id be making right now if it werent for grad school? anyway, off to grad school!

lol yeah!! it's almost as though not everyone has the privilege to walk away from a steady paycheque because of bad working conditions and be fashionably unemployed railing lines of meth at starbucks or whaqever passes for genuine proletarian activity here



thats that Coloured retard

#319
good news everyone! finally, we have a tech tree. no more of this groping about in the dark.



(as an aside, for all of you computer-Game fans, youll be glad to know that it also reveals the release of dwarf fortress 1.0, here hidden as "procedural storytelling", in 2020)
#320
Im most hyped for embodied avatars