#161
Mike Nelson here.
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Crow posted:

getfiscal posted:

honeypot means a woman who sleeps with someone to get information for a spy agency right. molly ain't slept with me.... not at all.

you know this is a fun joke to make, because it seems to be that many Americans think that the CIA is like some sexy movie organization. I don't know why. maybe it's because they live in a fantasy bubble. well, the cia isn't a sexy movie organization that's stuffed with dashing sociopaths, their agents are agents of the imperial state, they are instrumentalized tools to carry out the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. there's plenty of opportunists, thugs, useful idiots, low level office drones, executive sociopaths, military officers etc, and they're all as replaceable as any other officer of the bourgeoisie, in a factory, in a corporation, wherever.

crabapple and brownmoses are just crude tools, they don't need to be genius manipulators, they just need to manipulate the regular, evil amount. and many (mostly unbelieving petite bourgeois) radicals will continue to find some way to twist this fact and do mental gymnastics to somehow mystify the whole process. it's a waste of goddamn time, and the jokes you get are stupid. the Nazis are in power and they have all manners of thugs, cretins, and degenerates carrying out their work. you don't have to be the man in th e high castle to get it, just look at the damn historical record

i'm not sure what you mean. 'honeypot' does not mean 'agent'. it means an agent trying to use sexual entrapment against a specific target, like a potential recruit or a foreign official. like, if you sleep with someone and then read through their briefcase when they are asleep, that is a honeypot. that was what my joke was about.

#162
Online
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you can use the term 'honeypot' more broadly than that. for example if my handlers asked me to post a thread asking for advice on leftist terrorism that might be a 'honeypot' trying to draw out responses from potentially dangerous comrades
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Mike Nelson here.
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ilmdge posted:

you can use the term 'honeypot' more broadly than that. for example if my handlers asked me to post a thread asking for advice on leftist terrorism that might be a 'honeypot' trying to draw out responses from potentially dangerous comrades

there is a grammatical difference here. you are not the honeypot in this situation. the honeypot is the thread. this is also not how spies like me use it.

#164
Mike Nelson here.
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anyway the intention of the joke was more that we aren't some underground movement fighting the CIA or something. we're internet randos who posted on SA.
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I'm part of an underground movement but I cant tell ppl here about it.
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same
#167
Occupied Aztlan
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MASS
MOVE
MENT
#168
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I uh, too, am part of an underground movement I can't tell people about... maybe we should all meet up for drinks and not tell each other things? Please bring your ID (for drinks!) and a list of your co-conspirators.
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postposting posted:

same



Do you know Elizabeth?

#170
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haha, yeah. i remember one time, her me and (redacted) went to (redacted) to (redacted) and once we got there we realized there was some confusion with the (redacted) because she hadn't told him about (redacted) and he thought we were actually going to (redacted) hahaha

good times....
#171
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I'm pretty sure Keven is referring to the queen, who is in his social circle, and not the girl down in Wireless Telephonic Surveillance.
#172
Dont Mess With Sucess
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MarxUltor posted:

I'm pretty sure Keven is referring to the queen, who is in his social circle, and not the girl down in Wireless Telephonic Surveillance.

woman.

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I respect Women. But beware: my respect is a dark gift with many hidden aspects...
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getfiscal posted:

Crow posted:

getfiscal posted:

honeypot means a woman who sleeps with someone to get information for a spy agency right. molly ain't slept with me.... not at all.

you know this is a fun joke to make, because it seems to be that many Americans think that the CIA is like some sexy movie organization. I don't know why. maybe it's because they live in a fantasy bubble. well, the cia isn't a sexy movie organization that's stuffed with dashing sociopaths, their agents are agents of the imperial state, they are instrumentalized tools to carry out the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. there's plenty of opportunists, thugs, useful idiots, low level office drones, executive sociopaths, military officers etc, and they're all as replaceable as any other officer of the bourgeoisie, in a factory, in a corporation, wherever.

crabapple and brownmoses are just crude tools, they don't need to be genius manipulators, they just need to manipulate the regular, evil amount. and many (mostly unbelieving petite bourgeois) radicals will continue to find some way to twist this fact and do mental gymnastics to somehow mystify the whole process. it's a waste of goddamn time, and the jokes you get are stupid. the Nazis are in power and they have all manners of thugs, cretins, and degenerates carrying out their work. you don't have to be the man in th e high castle to get it, just look at the damn historical record

i'm not sure what you mean. 'honeypot' does not mean 'agent'. it means an agent trying to use sexual entrapment against a specific target, like a potential recruit or a foreign official. like, if you sleep with someone and then read through their briefcase when they are asleep, that is a honeypot. that was what my joke was about.



Her whole pornified shtick, and that of other imperial feminists is a means of "sexual entrapment" of potential recruits to capitalist ideology. Not only because attractiveness sells, as the advertising of more ordinary products than pseudo-leftist humanitarian-libertarianism shows, but because it also, paradoxically, gives a veneer of false innocence to the arguments she is making. When you make sure that no one ever forgets you have youth, a pretty face, and acceptably unconventional habits, it is easier to portray your actions as at worst harmlessly infantile antics, not anything worthy of any serious scrutiny--which would be less likely to happen if the person in question was older, homelier, or more reserved. Further, through her overt weaponizing of her own erotic desirability, attacks on MC are made out to be assaults on her sexuality, when its her work as a propagandist that is the real issue. As long as the discussion is channeled into being about the former instead of the latter, actual James Bond style boudoir intrigue is unnecessary.

"In reading the objections as being about the bodies themselves, as opposed to the systems of power they represent in tension with one another, we are effectively silenced. We read critique of Pussy Riot and FEMEN as being attacks against their bodies themselves. Even their agency is pushed aside in moments of crisis. This is misogyny."

http://manyfesto.org/2014/07/15/the-weaponized-naked-girl/

Edited by RedMaistre ()

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getfiscal posted:

Crow posted:

getfiscal posted:

honeypot means a woman who sleeps with someone to get information for a spy agency right. molly ain't slept with me.... not at all.

you know this is a fun joke to make, because it seems to be that many Americans think that the CIA is like some sexy movie organization. I don't know why. maybe it's because they live in a fantasy bubble. well, the cia isn't a sexy movie organization that's stuffed with dashing sociopaths, their agents are agents of the imperial state, they are instrumentalized tools to carry out the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. there's plenty of opportunists, thugs, useful idiots, low level office drones, executive sociopaths, military officers etc, and they're all as replaceable as any other officer of the bourgeoisie, in a factory, in a corporation, wherever.

crabapple and brownmoses are just crude tools, they don't need to be genius manipulators, they just need to manipulate the regular, evil amount. and many (mostly unbelieving petite bourgeois) radicals will continue to find some way to twist this fact and do mental gymnastics to somehow mystify the whole process. it's a waste of goddamn time, and the jokes you get are stupid. the Nazis are in power and they have all manners of thugs, cretins, and degenerates carrying out their work. you don't have to be the man in th e high castle to get it, just look at the damn historical record

i'm not sure what you mean. 'honeypot' does not mean 'agent'. it means an agent trying to use sexual entrapment against a specific target, like a potential recruit or a foreign official. like, if you sleep with someone and then read through their briefcase when they are asleep, that is a honeypot. that was what my joke was about.



Her whole pornified shtick, and that of other imperial feminists is means of "sexual entrapment" of potential recruits to capitalist ideology. Not only because attractiveness sells, as the advertising of more ordinary products than pseudo-leftist humanitarian-libertarianism shows, but because it also, paradoxically, gives a veneer of false innocence to the arguments she is making. When you make sure that no one ever forgets you have youth, a pretty face, and acceptably unconventional habits, it is easier to portray your actions as at worst harmlessly infantile antics, not anything worthy of any serious scrutiny--which would be less likely to happen if the person in question was older, homelier, or more reserved. Further, through her overt weaponizing of her own erotic desirability, attacks on MC are made out to be assaults on her sexuality, when its her work as a propagandist that is the real issue. As long as the discussion is channeled into being about the former instead of the latter, actual James Bond style boudoir intrigue is unnecessary.

"In reading the objections as being about the bodies themselves, as opposed to the systems of power they represent in tension with one another, we are effectively silenced. We read critique of Pussy Riot and FEMEN as being attacks against their bodies themselves. Even their agency is pushed aside in moments of crisis. This is misogyny."

http://manyfesto.org/2014/07/15/the-weaponized-naked-girl/

#177
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A point in the system does not have to pose a clear and present threat of revolt in order to be considered worthy of surveillance by the state. There is a usefulness, from the of view of the police, to have eyes and ears in the metaphorical cafes, salons, and drawing rooms--if only because anyone crazy enough to actually do anything will likely pass through them, at one point or another.

So while excessive paranoia should be shunned, being complacent about the possibilities of infiltration should be avoided as well.
#178
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i remember yeeears back there was some woman posting in D&D on something awful, and she said whenever she got in arguments with people she would open their profiles to see how goony they looked because if they were ugly goony lookin fuckers they weren't worth arguing with because no one would care what those ppl thought anyway. but if they were attractive then they might haev some real world influence
#179
Mike Nelson here.
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RedMaistre posted:

excessive paranoia should be shunned

Yeah... that's what I'm doing?

#180
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getfiscal posted:

RedMaistre posted:

excessive paranoia should be shunned

Yeah... that's what I'm doing?



....And I was trying to emphasize the other consideration. Because I don't think it ridiculous that security state would keep tabs on even the most ridiculous and hapless meeting places.

Particularly in this day or age; internet politics likely provides a lot of easy and relatively risk free busy work for informants. Easier than CPUSA-easy.

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getfiscal posted:

Crow posted:

getfiscal posted:

honeypot means a woman who sleeps with someone to get information for a spy agency right. molly ain't slept with me.... not at all.

you know this is a fun joke to make, because it seems to be that many Americans think that the CIA is like some sexy movie organization. I don't know why. maybe it's because they live in a fantasy bubble. well, the cia isn't a sexy movie organization that's stuffed with dashing sociopaths, their agents are agents of the imperial state, they are instrumentalized tools to carry out the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. there's plenty of opportunists, thugs, useful idiots, low level office drones, executive sociopaths, military officers etc, and they're all as replaceable as any other officer of the bourgeoisie, in a factory, in a corporation, wherever.

crabapple and brownmoses are just crude tools, they don't need to be genius manipulators, they just need to manipulate the regular, evil amount. and many (mostly unbelieving petite bourgeois) radicals will continue to find some way to twist this fact and do mental gymnastics to somehow mystify the whole process. it's a waste of goddamn time, and the jokes you get are stupid. the Nazis are in power and they have all manners of thugs, cretins, and degenerates carrying out their work. you don't have to be the man in th e high castle to get it, just look at the damn historical record

i'm not sure what you mean. 'honeypot' does not mean 'agent'. it means an agent trying to use sexual entrapment against a specific target, like a potential recruit or a foreign official. like, if you sleep with someone and then read through their briefcase when they are asleep, that is a honeypot. that was what my joke was about.



I just wrote two paragraphs about how the cia is not the movies and you responded to me with 'Yea but what about the movies? ???'

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this highly sexualized woman is being used as the official symbol of occupy (which the bourgeois state was already planning assassination contingencies for) and writing as a 'leftist' in highly visible imperial rags agitating for war. Yes she is definitely off the radar of the Nazi Goon Squadron. I am just being real here folks. Real ironic *mime prays for you*
#183
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the only reasonable contrarian argument you can make is not "is this happening" but "why should I care this is happening". and that's egotistical, Donald. caring is sharing (communism)
#184
Marxsplainer
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going Outside and joining an org is way more productive fun and cool than agonized handwringing on the internet abt exactly how real cia puppetstrings might be

just call them shills for empire and leave it at that. it doesn't really change much in the calculus of resistance whether or not theyre freelancers or being piped their rhetoric
#185
Mike Nelson here.
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Crow posted:

the only reasonable contrarian argument you can make is not "is this happening" but "why should I care this is happening". and that's egotistical, Donald. caring is sharing (communism)

i wasn't talking about whether or not molly is an agent. i was making a joke about how if she's an agent it has almost nothing to do with us cosplayers.

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she's a self righteous liberal, her every action supports the CIA by default whether she is aware of it or not. why would they bother informing her of the consequences of her actions if they are getting to have their cake and eat it too already? It's like brown moses, why would they ever drop the curtain and reveal the show if he just plain doesn't care?
#187
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Im hungry
#188
D.C.
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I only read the first page, but Brown Moses has repeatedly posted about communicating with persons in the intelligence community, and has been paid or at least had his expenses paid (by private intelligence groups, if I recall) to make appearances at industry conferences. He also claims he was offered a job as a private intelligence analyst, which I find entirely believe not because he appears especially competent, but because most of these private intelligence firms are surprisingly incompetent.

He really did help stop the flow of Croatian arms into Syria, working with the New York Times though. That was probably a CIA job
#189
political car tune
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Archer isn't a comedy and is in fact a documentary
#190
"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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wb squalid
#191
UNUSUALY COOL
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hi squalid
#192
chickeon
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dipshit420 posted:

Archer isn't a comedy and is in fact a documentary

idk about tthe second part but yeah it's not funny

#193
Kurdt
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i enjoy archer and i vote. and i read sam kriss and do cocaine
#194
D.C.
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thank you. I haven't been posting because i've been in thailand hunting snakes. i'm going home soon though and can't sleep so i came back here for old times sake
#195
political car tune
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#196
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on a slightly related note, if ur ever browsin wikipedia history articles about the soviet union or eastern europe and go lol holy fuck this shit is biased against communism to all hell, check to see who the editors are, and the same names seem to always crop up....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern_European_mailing_list#Improper_coordination

there's been a literal concerted effort to fill wiki with western cold war propaganda as npov for years lmao

no big surprise
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Why would I want to read about the soviets if the Nazi's won?
#198
UNUSUALY COOL
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there is a concerted effort on wikipedia to fill wikipedia with western cold war propaganda since 15 january 2001 & you may view it by navigating your Web browser to the following site: www.wikipedia.com
#199
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well obviously but sometimes i get manic and start following source links and what not & noticing this sort of inside gaming reinforces my view that the whole endeavor of wikipedia is pointless for history in a concrete way, obviously it was always pointless in a general philosophical way
#200
UNUSUALY COOL
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i posted a screenshot on here where everything on wikipedia had been changed to make it look like the government of syria didn't exist since the end of 2013, and i considered saving and posting similar things i saw on wikipedia, but realized pretty quick that i would have to save every single unique page i viewed on wikipedia, which is about 10,000 per day