Meursault posted:

aerdil posted:
i remember trolling teh fuck outta ppl on lf that the fukushima was going to be a lot worse than they thought... i vaguely recall a certain thug lessons being one of those folks but i could be wrong

Trolling? That's pretty fucked up man.

babyhueypnewton posted:
I don't have to quote Nietzsche to DM though, he knows way more than me about everything

no i don't

babyhueypnewton posted:
What I've been thinking about is how I feel about dialectical materialism, which is far more vital than liberal science as it interacts with society, history, and the world as it is instead of how God intends it. Even so, I return to Nietzsche and Foucault and I'm very skeptical of any science which claims human progress or ultimate truth, especially as it's misused as a more radical version of western science by the liberal trots who make up the first world left. Guess I don't know where I stand which is the point of discussion.

well i do think it has a tendency to be treated as a sort of secular religion. i also believe in the importance of the negative. i was saying more or less the same thing about Fukushima when it was going on, citing the Union of Concerned Scientists to pretty much no avail.

basically,

gyrofry posted:
I choose logic and the french revolutionary calendar

and i think part of that involves coming to terms with the revolution brought about by Frege, Cantor, etc. here is an interesting lecture on that btw, though he unfortunately doesn't talk about Hegel and contradiction. there's also obviously Badiou doing related stuff there.

one other person who was interesting on math and science is Lancelot Hogben. Dawkins gives a good indication here:

The Selfish Gene posted:
must add that the occasional political asides in this chapter make uncomfortable rereading for me in 1989. 'How many times must this have been said in recent years to the working people of Britain?' (p. 8) makes me sound like a Tory! In 1975, when it was written, a socialist government which I had helped to vote in was battling desperately against 23 per cent inflation, and was obviously concerned about high wage claims. My remark could have been taken from a speech by any Labour minister of the time. Now that Britain has a government of the new right, which has elevated meanness and selfishness to the status of ideology, my words seem to have acquired a kind of nastiness by association, which I regret. It is not that I take back what I said. Selfish short-sightedness still has the undesirable consequences that I mentioned. But nowadays, if one were seeking examples of selfish short-sightedness in Britain, one would not look first at the working class. Actually, it is probably best not to burden a scientific work with political asides at all, since it is remarkable how quickly these date. The writings of politically aware scientists of the 1930s—J. B. S. Haldane and Lancelot Hogben, for instance—are today significantly marred by their anachronistic barbs.

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/4209/1/Tabery%2DFisher.Hogben.and.the.Origins.of.GxE%28April.2008%29.doc

Goethestein posted:
Thanks primarily to scientific advancement, the population of earth quadrupled in the 20th century. Every war and genocide was a fart in the wind comparatively

lol goatstein conflates old western notions of civilization with scientific advancement bc he's old

discipline posted:
Wouldn't it own if Goatstein's baby girl converted to Islam

Ya cuz then I could sell her to one of the better Saudis for mad money

Goethestein posted:
Naw I mean stuff like vaccinations, plumbing, antibiotics , painkillers, electricity

Thank god for technology I can have my plumbing and electricity automated so as not to violate the rules of shabbat inside my manhattan apt without a shabbas goy on payroll

Goethestein posted:
Naw I mean stuff like vaccinations, plumbing, antibiotics , painkillers, electricity

painkillers eh. i guess you could say science is the opiate of the masses

babyfinland posted:

Goethestein posted:

babyfinland posted:

Goethestein posted:
Naw I mean stuff like vaccinations, plumbing, antibiotics , painkillers, electricity

it has a lot more to do with urbanization and socioeconomics than it does "plumbing"

Hmm I wonder why 5 million people can live in a 20 square mile area without drinking or stepping in other people's shit all day.

people do that without those technological amenities today

No they don't lol