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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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tpaine mockingly mentions the characteristics of many atheists that they "wear fedoras and watch my little pony." he considers these irrelevant characteristics, but they are not. they are symptomatic of chilidishness, obliviousness, social incompetence and a complete lack of self-criticism
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Atheists are basically children who don't understand grownup things like the invisible man who dictates our morals. On another topic, we need to respect the decisions of our police workers and military workers who are making the hard choices in a hard economy.
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Dont Mess With Sucess
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You run into a lot more atheists in the first world because rich people are less likely to have begged G-d to intercede in a hopeless situation.
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Hello. I am a well rounded and emotionally stable adult with an anime avatar. I adhere to the doctrine of atheism.
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Petrol posted:

Hello. I am a well rounded and emotionally stable adult with an anime avatar. I adhere to the doctrine of atheism.

Lol, howdy, Im australian and I belive in jesus christ

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Mike Nelson here.
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the main open secret about religion which seems to baffle some atheists is that religion is not an argument. there are religious arguments but religion itself is basically an ancient form of pomo brazen assertion. like it's not that it is true or false so much as it is held to be beyond true or false. they don't care that it's not true. if anything the whole enlightenment project are people who just understood religion less than religious people and started screaming into the void. so a lot of new atheists start freaking out that people believe bad arguments, when no one believes those bad arguments, they just choose to believe a whole set of prior facts which they know are false but don't care.

this culminates in a bunch of people who are clearly contemplating suicide because life has no intrinsic meaning, because they put some cushion of air between themselves and belief, and all the roads this leads to are pretty crazy (like the zen philosophy admired by many existentialists where people just try to give up on desire itself). psychoanalysis is less about absurdity and more about impossibility of desire. so if you spend enough years on the couch you might feel a bit better about the idea that everything you do is basically crazy. and eventually it seems quite possible that psychoanalysis and the living with the impossibility of desire will just be swept away by new ideology again and that might be that. anyway you won't find any glimmer of that in many contemporary atheist tracts, often because they believe in a model of the human life that reduces us completely to a machine, and machines can only accept or reject arguments and cannot be dominated by bizarre desires except in some corrupted way.
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If i continue to mock atheism aka 'the religion of reason' it's possible conec will abandon downvotes and just arrive on my doorstep with a kalshinikov
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Ah. The aspect of my post that offended you must have been where i mocked people who are technically adults but lack emotional maturity and therefore enjoy anime. My apologies.
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getfiscal posted:

the main open secret about religion which seems to baffle some atheists is that religion is not an argument. there are religious arguments but religion itself is basically an ancient form of pomo brazen assertion. like it's not that it is true or false so much as it is held to be beyond true or false. they don't care that it's not true. if anything the whole enlightenment project are people who just understood religion less than religious people and started screaming into the void. so a lot of new atheists start freaking out that people believe bad arguments, when no one believes those bad arguments, they just choose to believe a whole set of prior facts which they know are false but don't care.

this culminates in a bunch of people who are clearly contemplating suicide because life has no intrinsic meaning, because they put some cushion of air between themselves and belief, and all the roads this leads to are pretty crazy (like the zen philosophy admired by many existentialists where people just try to give up on desire itself). psychoanalysis is less about absurdity and more about impossibility of desire. so if you spend enough years on the couch you might feel a bit better about the idea that everything you do is basically crazy. and eventually it seems quite possible that psychoanalysis and the living with the impossibility of desire will just be swept away by new ideology again and that might be that. anyway you won't find any glimmer of that in many contemporary atheist tracts, often because they believe in a model of the human life that reduces us completely to a machine, and machines can only accept or reject arguments and cannot be dominated by bizarre desires except in some corrupted way.


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Nothing is non-overlapping (except what is, indeed not-a-thing). No one who in a dispute can deny being part of the same overarching World as their opponent. If they had separate earths to live upon, they would not have to bother arguing with each other in the first place. The contradiction testifies to their participation in the same realm of being. The choice, thus, for two spheres of institutionalized thought when confronted with one another is absorption (which, as in political conquest, involves taking the risk of allowing the alien to enter into contact with one's self) or conciliation by means of a third term. And it is the third term that is always the most disputable one when neither party (for good reasons) is willing to cede their particular authority to any other.

That is why the state, which strictly speaking, requires neither savants or clerics to be itself, is so neccessary as an inadequate substitute for the absent third term, as restraining, if not harmonizing, these and similar disputes.

That is also why learning to be good opponents, which involves in part developing a feeling of affection for one's enemies, is so valuable for social, and psychic, functioning in moments that are not those of war or Terror. Not all contradictions need be antagonistic contradictions.
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getfiscal posted:

the main open secret about religion which seems to baffle some atheists is that religion is not an argument. there are religious arguments but religion itself is basically an ancient form of pomo brazen assertion. like it's not that it is true or false so much as it is held to be beyond true or false. they don't care that it's not true. if anything the whole enlightenment project are people who just understood religion less than religious people and started screaming into the void. so a lot of new atheists start freaking out that people believe bad arguments, when no one believes those bad arguments, they just choose to believe a whole set of prior facts which they know are false but don't care.

this culminates in a bunch of people who are clearly contemplating suicide because life has no intrinsic meaning, because they put some cushion of air between themselves and belief, and all the roads this leads to are pretty crazy (like the zen philosophy admired by many existentialists where people just try to give up on desire itself). psychoanalysis is less about absurdity and more about impossibility of desire. so if you spend enough years on the couch you might feel a bit better about the idea that everything you do is basically crazy. and eventually it seems quite possible that psychoanalysis and the living with the impossibility of desire will just be swept away by new ideology again and that might be that. anyway you won't find any glimmer of that in many contemporary atheist tracts, often because they believe in a model of the human life that reduces us completely to a machine, and machines can only accept or reject arguments and cannot be dominated by bizarre desires except in some corrupted way.




well, religion clearly, potently suppresses the working class by offering them hope within hopelessness, barring them from revolutionary action. how can humanity continue desiring such a thing and progress? can the revolution progress and succeed with the guarantee of salvation, regardless of the outcome?

also, your post converted me to catholicism (but no, it really makes a great deal of sense).


(P.S. sorry if my use of the vocabulary of science is strange, i always thought of marxism as a science, so i try to use that language.)

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getfiscal posted:

the main open secret about religion which seems to baffle some atheists is that religion is not an argument. there are religious arguments but religion itself is basically an ancient form of pomo brazen assertion. like it's not that it is true or false so much as it is held to be beyond true or false. they don't care that it's not true. if anything the whole enlightenment project are people who just understood religion less than religious people and started screaming into the void. so a lot of new atheists start freaking out that people believe bad arguments, when no one believes those bad arguments, they just choose to believe a whole set of prior facts which they know are false but don't care.

this culminates in a bunch of people who are clearly contemplating suicide because life has no intrinsic meaning, because they put some cushion of air between themselves and belief, and all the roads this leads to are pretty crazy (like the zen philosophy admired by many existentialists where people just try to give up on desire itself). psychoanalysis is less about absurdity and more about impossibility of desire. so if you spend enough years on the couch you might feel a bit better about the idea that everything you do is basically crazy. and eventually it seems quite possible that psychoanalysis and the living with the impossibility of desire will just be swept away by new ideology again and that might be that. anyway you won't find any glimmer of that in many contemporary atheist tracts, often because they believe in a model of the human life that reduces us completely to a machine, and machines can only accept or reject arguments and cannot be dominated by bizarre desires except in some corrupted way.


Explain what it mean to be beyond true or false.

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you can't call something that can't be known "true" or "false"
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Mike Nelson here.
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Lessons posted:

Explain what it mean to be beyond true or false.

I'm not sure, to be honest. It's all a murky world out there right now for me. But I'll keep you appraised.

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Actually fuck it. I don't want you to explain yourself with more equivocation because that's obviously just bullshit meant to mystify what's going on. Most religious people are actually naive believers that don't operate on some 11-dimensional truth formula and just arbitrarily believe because they want to, something that isn't unique to religion but just depressingly common and universally stupid.
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gwarp posted:

you can't call something that can't be known "true" or "false"


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Hyper-essential is the term that get-fiscal may be looking for, that which is ever surrounded by the discourse of praise, the always inadequate language that it simultaneously gives and receives.
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i'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a big deal if religion existed in a socialist government. from my limited exposure with these people it seems like their only opposition to religion is that it stops the revolution from happening.

i don't know what your deal is, something about god not existing because you somehow know and say so i guess
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Really, anyone who sincerely wishes to seek God is best served by prayer, attending to the dictates of conscience, and daily reading of the scriptures (I won't argue, here, over which one, as long as you actually take up the book and read it). But I do think some of you would find the writings of Jean-Luc Marion to be of interest.
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The problem with religion is that it's a morass of conservative ideals propped up by proudly non-rational thinking which is why a hundred years ago the Bolsheviks marched into battle singing "We will burn the churches and prisons to the ground" but in the post-tumblr era of leftist defeatism we're chided with "but what about all the good things religion did".
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conec posted:

Petrol posted:

Ah. The aspect of my post that offended you must have been where i mocked people who are technically adults but lack emotional maturity and therefore enjoy anime. My apologies.

who said I was offended? So... let me get this straight You are emotionally mature Yet u are whining at a young anime babe bcos she downvoted you? On the forum u post on all day, every day U seem extremely emotionally mature and stable, now that I fink of it.


a dingo ate xhir baby, have some ***d*mn respect

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Mike Nelson here.
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RedMaistre posted:

Really, anyone who sincerely wishes to seek God is best served by prayer, attending to the dictates of conscience, and daily reading of the scriptures (I won't argue, here, over which one, as long as you actually take up the book and read it). But I do think some of you would find the writings of Jean-Luc Marion to be of interest.

I am very pleased you recently emerged from the void of chaos and have entered into my awareness.

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#429
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From Hegel Contra Sociology by Gillian Rose

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May I always be willing to concede that the children of disobedience are more truly spiritual than I, a monster of clay,blood, and slime held together somehow by the workings of providence, will ever be.
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Lessons posted:

The problem with religion is that it's a morass of conservative ideals propped up by proudly non-rational thinking which is why a hundred years ago the Bolsheviks marched into battle singing "We will burn the churches and prisons to the ground" but in the post-tumblr era of leftist defeatism we're chided with "but what about all the good things religion did".


Nice opinion. Which anime did you get this from

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Good people don't need religion. It's for controlling the behaviour of bad people, which it's OK at but could do better. If you can feel guilt, shame, and weigh the consequences of future actions, you're way ahead of the bovine masses. Unfortunately the enlightenment came along and fucked everything up and we got modern art, single mothers/baby daddies, and nation states, so now we have these problems but religion got owned so bad people think they can do what they want.

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#436
"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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Lessons posted:

The problem with religion is that it's a morass of conservative ideals propped up by proudly non-rational thinking which is why a hundred years ago the Bolsheviks marched into battle singing "We will burn the churches and prisons to the ground" but in the post-tumblr era of leftist defeatism we're chided with "but what about all the good things religion did".



you're not in an era of burning down all the churches you're in the era of killing all the muslims

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tpaine posted:

lesions you and me. i have a sixxxer of golden monkey and reckless abandon. let's burn this mother down with the light of judgment a la kefka's tower in ff6


I've got two Steel Reserves.

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