legislative election in january. winner of popular vote gets 50 seat bonus like some sort of shitty electoral casino. syriza narrowly leading in polls, says it wants a government of national unity that includes members of the political right. wants to "bargain" for a better deal from europe. anyway all the jacobins are flipping their shit. i'd be happy if syriza won the vote but i don't think they'll build socialism.
libelous_slander posted:I need some more background on this. Can you link me to a VICE documentary about it?
*gopro camera tracks open jeep racing through desert*
*i yell into microphone* "This has nothing to do with Greece but it gives the illusion of exoticism and adventure."
getfiscal posted:libelous_slander posted:I need some more background on this. Can you link me to a VICE documentary about it?
*gopro camera tracks open jeep racing through desert*
*i yell into microphone* "This has nothing to do with Greece but it gives the illusion of exoticism and adventure."
Long live KKE long live KNE love live PAME long live IMCWP long live the proletarian revolution.
if tsipras believes that a left government would "loosen" (in the sense of relaxing) the contradictions in greek society he is dangerously delusional. as stalin said, there's always an ideological sense of impossibility to a left government, when they take power then the right will counterattack with everything they've got. the idea that syriza needs to have backbone in "bargaining" or "disciplining capital" doesn't seem to appreciate the scale of the problem. i mean americans (reasonably) consider it a minor social crisis that police turn their backs on the mayor. in greece the police are more or less openly fascist and an emergency involving them seems inevitable.
discipline posted:well bhaskar sunkara himself has said his life's goal is to have a US election in 25-30 years where DSA takes home 5% of the vote
oh wow, i havent heard of people with such lofty life goals since lenin was trying to figure out how to get the RSDLP 4% of the vote by 1950
discipline posted:the issue continues to be that no one takes this present global catastrophic situation seriously except the bad guys
catch phrase
discipline posted:the issue continues to be that no one takes this present global catastrophic situation seriously except the bad guys
i take it very seriously i just need money for sandwiches in the short term
wow cool their chief economist is a marxist
“Everything we will do is in the context of staying in the eurozone,” says the mild-mannered Milios, rejecting any suggestion Syriza policymakers would willingly opt out. “The government has launched a fear campaign to terrorise Greeks into thinking the worst but in reality nobody believes all this talk about Grexit any more. Merkel herself has said it is impossible for any country to leave.”
it'll be interesting to see how greece builds a planned economy within the eurozone.
getfiscal posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/23/syriza-john-milios-greece-eurozonewow cool their chief economist is a marxist
“Everything we will do is in the context of staying in the eurozone,” says the mild-mannered Milios, rejecting any suggestion Syriza policymakers would willingly opt out. “The government has launched a fear campaign to terrorise Greeks into thinking the worst but in reality nobody believes all this talk about Grexit any more. Merkel herself has said it is impossible for any country to leave.”
it'll be interesting to see how greece builds a planned economy within the eurozone.
Merkel just said she would allow Greece to leave the Eurozone, see you in Full Communism.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/merkel-prepared-to-let-greece-exit-eurozone-report/ar-BBhul5b
discipline posted:Donald do you think anyone at Jacobin magazine had heard about Salvador Allende اليه سلم
that's something i've started thinking a bit about. i think they probably know a lot about him. i think bourgeois society make it so that you seem insane if you are really committed to socialism, though. so the voices that get promoted, even in the left, are ones willing to accommodate to parliaments and markets. and for various reasons these are the leaders that will prevail until they are thoroughly discredited by unquestionable evidence. like they have to fail before radicalism is considered at all, and even then it usually just means a total collapse of the left instead (because most of the left follows the petty-bourgeois leadership that gets discredited).
i don't think utilizing parliaments is necessarily an error, but unless the movement and its leadership understands it needs to smash the existing state once it takes power then it will probably backslide or get destroyed. and i think democracy is important and good but it's not the definition of socialism really and even rosa luxemburg argued that you needed to take power to build a majority and not simply dwell in bourgeois society until everyone agreed with you.
plus i mean even if you ask most people who call themselves socialists now what they mean by socialism they'll describe a market economy with a lot of state ownership. the idea of a planned economy is unpopular within the left (!).
the goods news i guess is that the worldview of the proletariat requires that it do certain things to advance its revolution and i think it tends to be aware pretty quickly of what needs to be done once it controls some of the levers of power. like there are enormous ruptures and then all of a sudden large sections of the earth have economies that are radically different. the problem is that socialism (while you can advance quite far down the road alone) is an international system and it is much more about building linkages between regions and such than like just organizing production in one country. so unless they can neutralize or overcome imperialism somehow then you're fucked.
but it's a huge historical process which i think has a lot of pressures that make it pretty likely over a long period of time, so good times.
walkinginonit posted:Merkel just said she would allow Greece to leave the Eurozone, see you in Full Communism.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/merkel-prepared-to-let-greece-exit-eurozone-report/ar-BBhul5b
lol. merkel's funny.
“Everything we will do is in the context of staying in the eurozone,” says the mild-mannered Milios, rejecting any suggestion Syriza policymakers would willingly opt out. “The government has launched a fear campaign to terrorise Greeks into thinking the worst but in reality nobody believes all this talk about Grexit any more. Merkel herself has said it is impossible for any country to leave.”
"ES IST IMPOSSIBLE TO LEAVE!!!" she screamed loudly in a thick German accent, calming everyone's fears
daddyholes posted:i also propose we shorten the phrase in the thread title to "eurosocialism", which sounds less intimidating and will save 5 out of 140 characters as we explain our support for it.
i propose we shorten it even further to EurSoc, which is 7 whole characters more doubleplus unlong
"Increase taxes, raise minimum wage, rehire the public workers, to hell with austerity" said Tsipras. Does it not sound like he copy pasted from BHo speech, or a Warren tirade
