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here's a useful photo about the CBC, canada's liberal public broadcaster:



let's discuss the sad times in ukraine.
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ukraine is joke to you!?
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i like how everyone on my facebook and in the media is spelling it kyiv, sort of like how Very Serious People started say usama instead of osama
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Mike Nelson here.
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the khamsek times had a good cover too:

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Barâque Hußa'yeen Ubàma
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If Russia breaks the rule about ignoring Ukraine will AMerica have to break the rule about kicking asses, forthe one millionth consecutive day?
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Mike Nelson here.
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that cbc headline/lede is like... goddamn.... just so transparent.
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Someone is lying to me and it's getting me pissed off
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so what's the answer, why didn't the journalist tell us if the Russians can keep their hands off the Ukraine?
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Mike Nelson here.
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"President Yanukovych has been made illegitimate. It's very worrying, especially because Russia lost in hockey, they'll be in a bad mood. We fear Russia's involvement in Ukraine," Future Prime Minister Trudeau said.

"Just because of hockey?" asked Guy Lepage, the show's host.

"No. That's trying to bring a light view in a situation that's extremely serious," Trudeau said.



Camelot North.

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When a country borrows from the IMF, its government agrees to adjust its economic policies to overcome the problems that led it to seek financial aid from the international community. These loan conditions also serve to ensure that the country will be able to repay the Fund so that the resources can be made available to other members in need. In recent years, the IMF has streamlined conditionality in order to promote national ownership of strong and effective policies.
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daddyholes posted:

When a country borrows from the IMF, its government agrees to adjust its economic policies to overcome the problems that led it to seek financial aid from the international community. These loan conditions also serve to ensure that the country will be able to repay the Fund so that the resources can be made available to other members in need. In recent years, the IMF has streamlined conditionality in order to promote national ownership of strong and effective policies.



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Bablu posted:



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mark ames' piece on ukraine seemed pretty good or at least not obviously stupid in any particular way. could anyone who actually knows anything c/d?
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In recent years, the IMF has streamlined conditionality in order to promote national ownership of strong and effective policies.



Stop punching yourself. Stop punching yourself. Stop punching yourself.

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by the logic of "to overcome the problems that led it to seek financial aid from the international community" we should have full communism here in a couple short years of IMF help. Thanks guys.
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Tsargon posted:

Bablu posted:

Anders Breivik and Emily Gould?

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c_man posted:

mark ames' piece on ukraine seemed pretty good or at least not obviously stupid in any particular way. could anyone who actually knows anything c/d?

I'm glad he made this important distinction

The point is this: Ukraine is not Venezuela. This is not a profoundly political or class fight, as it is in Venezuela. Yanukovych represents one faction of oligarchs; the opposition, unwittingly or otherwise, ultimately fronts for other factions. Many of those oligarchs have close business ties with Russia, but assets and bank accounts—and mansions—in Europe. Both forces are happy to work with the neoliberal global institutions.

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i agree
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I can't tell if those are very tall children or one very short nazi dad
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every ukrainian ex-pat i've ever met has been really into ayn rand
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ayn rand was a soviet ex-pat wasn't she

she only got to go to university because the bolsheviks opened entry to women lmao
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what is the social base of these fascists?
(and who are the social forces that oppose them?)

the middle class/professional/yuppies i have met from poland/ukraine/baltics have been generally rabid anticommunist nuts, but the ordinary working people from the same places have been fond, positive and nostalgic for the old soviet system.

its hard to fathom how they can maintain the narrative in those countries that they are the victims of the greatest genocide in history (ie the "red-brown" "double holocaust" theory which is accepted officially by the EU), when it goes against all facts and lived experiences.

for example reading a translation of some "research" by the lithuanian "genocide centre" (at the bottom of this page entitled "The Expert with Blood on His Hands") shows the laughable standard of evidence and whinging of their movement as they try to justify putting 80 year old holocaust survivors and anti-nazi
partizans on trial

or as grover furr points out that the 'bloodlands' version of history can become canon in ukraine which is full of lazy mistranslations of stories long available in ukrainian in their libraries!

(i was watching this old michael parenti talk looking back at the fall of communism and he made many interesting observations -- such when anticommunists took over the ex-soviet republics the best they could charge the 'tyrants' who had been running them were crimes such as using tear gas on protesters ... similar in its own way to the argument Furr makes that heavily funded research teams with full access to archives cant find anything substantial to pin on communism beneath all their huffing & puffing)

i'll have to start asking these questions to people from such regions.

they are actively fucking up my city on the opposite side of europe (the street fash we have here are polish migrants) apart from turning their countries into nightmares and making communism a dirty word
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Has the collective memory of socialism really been erased?

The 'patriots' who took over have tried to forbid people even speaking about it but it does not seem to be working..
Unsurprisingly

It looks to me like toxic nationalism is one of the main factors preventing social development in these former Soviet republics, instrumental as it was in mobilising people to pogroms in the past as well as horrible discrimination against minorities today, the main tenet of the neoliberal parties that keep getting voted in etc
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xipe posted:

It looks to me like toxic nationalism is one of the main factors preventing social development in these former Soviet republics, instrumental as it was in mobilising people to pogroms in the past as well as horrible discrimination against minorities today, the main tenet of the neoliberal parties that keep getting voted in etc



toxic nationalism is pretty much the "in-thing" in whole of europe. and as much as these nazi patriots cry about neoliberalism, the neoliberal agenda is actually only reinforcing and working for their cause. this ukraine thingy just reinforces the view that neoliberals and nazis are basically the same.