thirdplace posted:besides from an american perspective, whats the harm? are you afraid of the american anticapitalist left losing its power, influence, or credibility because someone votes ron paul?
im not afraid of anything
thirdplace posted:except that incremental progress in the latter is basically meaningless while incremental progress in the former is people's lives. i'm not saying many, but does it have to be many? genuine question--what's the cost here? the risk?
The risk with someone like Rand Paul is he is a Republican In All But Name
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00030836
Voting record
Even in terms of rhetoric he makes a lot of noise about how America shouldn't have to be the world policeman etc but in the same breath invokes the ghost of Reagan ("peace through strength" etc) to paint Obama as a wimp. Also his name is Rand
daddyholes posted:libertarian activism is designed to not do shit, when its not designed to spy on activists for the government, "coalitions" with libertarians stem from cowardice and the only people who will peel off from those groups for left groups will do it when they perceive those groups as a superior alternative, not a "coalition partner"
you misspelled liberal
Barbarossa posted:bernie mac (I)
is sorely missed
Petrol posted:sure but at least hypothetically some candidates are preferable to others and in that sense its important to be clear that libertarians are literally never preferable
let's have a spirited debate about which u.s. senator should be in charge of a moon colony, it's equally relevant to reality
Petrol posted:sure but at least hypothetically some candidates are preferable to others and in that sense its important to be clear that libertarians are literally never preferable
what do you mean, what's wrong with voting in the representative who believes above all else in rational individual self interest??????
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950111/The-alleged-paedophile-ring-at-the-heart-of-the-British-Establishment.html
The Telegraph posted:The country was still reeling from the horrors of the Jimmy Savile child abuse scandal that saw the BBC accused of cover up and culture of secrecy to protect itself.
But the expose opened the door on a potentially even more explosive scandal – the claims of a VIP Westminster paedophile ring operating from the heart of the British Establishment from the 1960s onwards.
It has led to allegations of a massive cover up across Whitehall spanning decades, pressure on the police and prosecutors not to pursue cases and the apparent disappearance of key dossiers and files detailing claims of child abuse and alleged attackers.
More than 10 current and former politicians are said to be on a list of alleged child abusers now being investigated by police and the pressure is growing for a public inquiry.
But the belated investigations only serve to highlight decades of apparent inaction in the corridors of power to get to the truth despite relentless campaigning by a number of MPs.
Russian Times.com posted:A whistleblower who kicked off UK police pedophile probe Operation Fernbridge believes as many as 40 British MPs and peers were involved in or turned a blind eye to child abuse.
Peter Mckelvie, a retired child protection team manager, who has spent more than 20 years compiling evidence of alleged child abuse by people in authority, believes ten current and former politicians are on the list and that there is enough evidence to arrest at least one senior politician, reports the Daily Telegraph.
MPs and peers from all three main political parties are on the list including Cyril Smith and Sir Peter Morrison, who are now dead.
McKelvie was behind bringing Peter Righton, a notorious pedophile, to justice when he worked for Hereford and Worcester child protection team and believes that up to 20 MPs and Lords should be investigated.
What is the deal with British governmental officials and pedophilia? It just goes on and on
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28275611
BBC.com posted:Mr Tombs, who in charge of social services in his area for 20 years, claims that when Righton was arrested in 1992, he became aware of information through the police investigation that suggested a paedophilic network was operating.
He said what he learned would have been of "national concern" and told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It was coming across to me at the time that there were names there that were linked into the establishment, if you like.
"I had no particular names, but that was the impression I was getting."
He said when he alerted Department of Health representatives, he was told by civil servants that he was "probably wasting time" because there were "too many of them over there".
He said when he alerted Department of Health representatives, he was told by civil servants that he was "probably wasting time" because there were "too many of them over there".
He said when he alerted Department of Health representatives, he was told by civil servants that he was "probably wasting time" because there were "too many of them over there".
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Barbarossa posted:What is the deal with British governmental officials and pedophilia? It just goes on and on
well. they're british, mate.
Petrol posted:You should see what they're up to in Australia.
Please elaborate.
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