Urbandale posted:this is true, my mistake, though there are ex rim parties involved in neo-rim such as the C(m)PA in Afghanistan and at least meetings with the pro-people's war side of the maoist split in Nepal.
there have been attempts by former rim parties to establish a neo-rim but these have been distinct from the more overtly pro-sendero attempts at such that have made the universality of people's war a principal point of unity that you were alluding to - these have mostly included the pcp (organising committee), the ncpi, the organisation of the workers of afghanistan (mlm, principally maoist), communist party mlm - bangladesh and the communist party mlm - france, alongside a few others. mostly these parties are relatively minor with no apparent practical involvement (as far as i'm aware of) with the rim beyond a theoretical allegiance to the former pcp
Urbandale posted:er, what im saying is that the pcr-rcp currently does say russian rev = insurrection, but it doesnt have to, and stepping away from that link and towards russian rev = peoples war, while increasing the almost religious nature of UPPW, doesnt cause any other holes in their current theory, which is why it became popular in the first place imo.
it places holes in the current theory insofar as the advocacy for the universality of ppw has actually been an argument drawn on practical lines, stressing the necessity of the adaptation of the general theory to concrete national conditions and as a critique of attempts to mobilise other revolutionary models as universals. there's a reason the pcr-rcp and the majority of advocates for uppw don't claim the russian revolution, or other successful revolutionary attempts as in cuba, as instances of ppw - because ppw is an actual thing they're referring to and abandoning the practical aspects of their argument abstracts it out of existence
that's not to say it's not a fine line to tread already or that some advocates of uppw don't already abstract it out of existence, and it might be the case that the pcr-rcp might follow this course further, but again this is an argument that theoretically undermines the distinctions made by the orthodox conception of uppw and it's wrong to see them as theoretically linked
International Socialist Organization : if the US is funding rebels somewhere the ISO will support them. the largest party left of the DSA/CPUSA, the entire org is students and has an immense turnover due to this fact, which means they work their members like dogs, which means their turnover increases. this is not particularly unique to ISO, its rather a factor in all student-based orgs, but its most pronounced here
Freedom Road Socialist Organization : this is actually two orgs. FRSO Fight Back is much more sure of themselves and what they want to do as an org. there were talks about merging with WWP (ill get to them later) and this is A Good Thing imo. primarily works in unions.
Party for Socialism and Liberation/Pissle: Prikryl was in the group, im in the group. VERY diverse set of ideologies inside the party, everyone from trots to maoists to two bizarre ghandi lovers. that said the ideological fights dont really impact the work very much. the branch i was last in had trots, maoists, leninists, an old member of RAIM, and some chican@ nationalists. we got along fine because line struggle without a point is sectarian and we were mature about it. ANSWER and WORD are their most well known fronts. mostly a student/ex student org, pretty young with a surprisingly large amount of women for a left group in the US
Leading Light Communist Organization: kill yourself cuz its about all they think youre good for. their predecessor put out an article in their theorymag claiming undocumented immigrants became net exploiters and thus labor aristocrats by crossing the border and thus had no revolutionary potential.
Workers World Party : PSL split from these people for personal reasons, though there may or may not have been an issue with WWP not holding an election in 20 years. i have been unable to verify this. if you think the PSL is cool you will likely think WWP is cool or FRSO (fb) is cool. really the three should all merge but i dont see that happening any time soon. IAC and FIST are their fronts. usually older people.
Revolutionary Communist Party : used to be cool, just ignore them unless you really like honest to god cultish devotion to bob avakian
New Black Panther Party: mixed bag. take the black panthers anrd replace their socialism with nationalism. leadership possibly anti-semitic. they put a bounty on Zimmerman's head tho so major points there.
Malcolm X Grassroots Movement: genuinely cool people, probably the only org that takes building institutions seriously. if youve seen black people organizing copwatches, thats almost certainly these guys. if youve heard of chokwe lumumba, thats these guys. they support armed self-defense and are dead serious about it, but also understand that in order for this tactic to work it must coincide with much more extensive community work, which is much better than some other organizations i could name.
International Workers of the World - for decades this existed as largely a historical society but several cities built various things out of their branches. twin cities formed a relatively extensive co-op network, los angeles and to a lesser extent chicago served as a support structure for anarchist politics, but recently (last 10 or so years) the new york branch has said fuck this and has led a charge into actual organizing of workplaces with decent success. these people were the only union to help me organize my previous workplace so major props.
blinkandwheeze posted:that is to say, it's pretty concretely evident that the october road would not fall under the definition of protracted people's war, so including it as an instance of this concept would undermine any usefulness of the term entirely and undermine every previous argument supporting this universality. you can of course argue against the usefulness of people's war as a universal concept anyway, but it should be pretty clear even from that perspective the pcr-rcp are putting forward an actually concrete argument relative to the idiocy involved in generalising ppw to the experience in eastern europe
yeah but they are super vague as to why certain things are counted as insurrection and not ppw. spain is a good example of this, where instead of talking about why extensive base areas built up over years of organizing, organized militias, and a protracted military campaign dont count, they just say it doesnt. this isnt really satisfactory and has led many people who are pretty interested in PPW and genuinely think its how the US will become socialist to ignore what little extensive theory PCR-RCP has printed on the issue
llco quite clearly does NOT advocate the self-termination of the labour aristocracy. that is a job for the oppressed/exploited nations.
blinkandwheeze posted:it places holes in the current theory insofar as the advocacy for the universality of ppw has actually been an argument drawn on practical lines, stressing the necessity of the adaptation of the general theory to concrete national conditions and as a critique of attempts to mobilise other revolutionary models as universals
or else it gets the hose again
Urbandale posted:Oh, and cuz i didnt say it earlier, im in the PSL and IWW.
How does that work out?
And no, the IWW doesn't have group benefit plans or anything like that, thats true. They're basically a cadre organization, though they would flip if you called them that.
postposting posted:Urbandale posted:Oh, and cuz i didnt say it earlier, im in the PSL and IWW.
How does that work out?
Very Carefully
i was in touch with the UK wobblies as we have no branches here in ireland.
we might set one up, and i can host meetings and invite people .... but i dont really know what the objectives would be
could you describe the setup and some of the things you get up to with IWW?
also: since i am doing some computer stuff, i'm wondering are there any 'webbly'/IWWWW branches (a la cory doctorov's book)?
would be fun to set somethign like that up too
xipe posted:but i dont really know what the objectives would be
overthrow capitalism! 
xipe posted:so, uh what does the IWW actually do?
could you describe the setup and some of the things you get up to with IWW?
Sure! This is typically the order of operations for a meeting. There's one person you pay your dues to and he gives you a cute little stamp to put on your red card, your IWW membership card. After that, there's the card check where to show you're a member of the union, which serves a psychological purpose (here you all are being so radical as opposed to the normies outside) and a practical one (only those current on dues can vote). Now there's some report backs from campaigns, and everyone basically just sits in a room and talks about stuff, hopefully oriented to the current campaigns. Well, thats how the meetings work anyway.
So what does the IWW do? At its best its a planning and logistics hub for workplace organization. You tell a wobbly you're interested in organizing your workplace and they invite you to the next Organizer Training they have scheduled. Smaller branches don't have one regularly but they'll schedule one with you if you don't flake off and disappear, a common problem when 'hot shops' go cold. But New York took this a bit further and plans campaigns the same way the big unions do.
They identify a shop or series of interrelated shops that they both have access to (via already existing union members working there or just friends or whatever) and that have grievances. To use an example, they're organizing a local bakery chain and using their already existing union of delivery drivers that work there as a base to infiltrate the shopfloors. They identify secondary and tertiary targets, which are shops that feed into the target shop. Secondary targets are usually one step 'up' the logistics line. The bakery needs frequent deliveries of supplies, so they target the distribution warehouse. Tertiary targets are usually one step down. The bakery provides baked goods to a number of local restaurants, so they organize these shops too.
The benefit of setting up all this is made immediately apparent as the campaign goes on. The target shop organizers go public, management strikes back, first softly, by pulling supporters into closed door meetings, then if they dont get their way they go hard, which usually ends up feeding the campaign and convincing those on the fence.
After a while the campaign can hit a wall. Maybe it just doesn't have enough leverage to force the boss to concede. Thats where the secondary shops come in, and later the tertiary shops. Suddenly management's supply chain is straight fucked. Their drivers are delivering needed supplies hours after they were needed, so they lose thousands of dollars in missed sales and are dramatically behind schedule for the restaurants. Maybe things that are supposed to be delivered to the bakery or the restaurant simply go missing, or are damaged by crashing into each other when the driver slams on the brakes a few too many times.
The point of the secondary and tertiary shops is to provide leverage on the primary shop, but because theyre all in the same logistics chain they can provide leverage for each other as well. Hopefully at the end of the process you've got a few more organized shops, which can then act as starting points for yet more campaigns.
As far as the webblies go, I've heard of them but have never ever seen any, heard of their actions, or seen their actions results.
Urbandale posted:The end goal for the IWW is basically for everyone to join the One Big Union and use that as a massive leverage tool to overthrow capitalism.
ah, like Solidarność
Urbandale posted:
thanks
we'll have to see who we can round up for this!
untheorize this bitch https://twitter.com/yarles_p/status/534407981786361856
stegosaurus posted:org log stardate 11/17/14
untheorize this bitch https://twitter.com/yarles_p/status/534407981786361856
what
littlegreenpills posted:why doesn't everybody just stop paying their credit card bills that would collapse the state in no time
no it wouldn';t lol