NoFreeWill posted:prikryl posted:"""Operating Costs""""
wait no. i don't want to join an organization now
lol
c_man posted:i show jools' article to literally everyone i find who knows what the new inquiry is
same, if by "article" you mean his dick pic
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbpWYukqsFonxYxv2tF7tlQ/videos
there is nice linking between dublin & detroit going on
stegosaurus posted:stop doing that its weird. why do you only do that with me. what's your deal.
way to just brush aside tom and terry and bippy. talk about consistently erasing class
Red_Canadian posted:I joined the IWW. Pretty cool, helped em get 70 members in my large canadian city, and there's all sorts of anti-austerity business going on.
Nice one comrade. Are you a member of any other union? Just curious. I read the IWW thing about dual carders and thought it was interesting.
Urbandale posted:I'm in an org. It's cool.
welcome to tHE rHizzonE.
From MLM Mayhem
JMP posted:As I have noted elsewhere, and following the nPCI, the theory of PPW explains the Russian Revolution better than the theory of insurrection. Here the argument is that there was an untheorized PPW that took place in Russia, beginning in 1905, where the insurrection was just part of a larger chain of revolutionary struggle.
This is important for them to argue because if the Russian Rev is an application of PPW then its easier for them to argue its universal quality, however the organization itself has yet to publish anything (at least in english, maybe getfiscal can read their french stuff i dunno) substantiating this claim.
its unfortunate. because the bulk of their recent attention on PPW is focused on how its universal, their public documents on how PPW is supposed to be waged in the first place have yet to flesh out the concept, which is critical since we're operating in the first world.
Oh, and cuz i didnt say it earlier, im in the PSL and IWW.
Urbandale posted:This is important for them to argue because if the Russian Rev is an application of PPW then its easier for them to argue its universal quality, however the organization itself has yet to publish anything (at least in english, maybe getfiscal can read their french stuff i dunno) substantiating this claim.
Uh they haven't published anything substantiating this claim because they have never made it. the official line of the pcr-rcp is that the russian revolution was qualitatively distinct to the theory of ppw, a process identified by them as the "october road." jmp has argued otherwise, and while he might be the most visible proponent of the pcr-rcp on this corner of the internet, i don't think he is actually a member and he specifically contradicts their line on this point
So while you are technically correct that it is not the PCR-RCP's line, it is a relatively important aspect that must be argued if their claim of universality is to hold any weight and I believe it will either become official party theory or remain an ideological fault line inside the party until its resolved.
Urbandale posted:PCR-RCP's attempts to recreate RIM with other ex-RIM parties, nPCI being one of these.
to be quite clear on this, the universality of ppw was at no point the characteristic or dominant line within the revolutionary internationalist movement. it was a theory put forward by the peruvian communist party (albeit with many qualifications), who were admittedly perhaps the single most influential group in the foundation of the rim, but it was not adopted by even a significant minority of member parties, more commonly this line has been outright rejected. there have been attempts to establish a neo-rim in recent years that include the adoption of this line but none of these parties, at least to my knowledge, are actually former members (with the exception of one of the many factions that emerged from the dissolution of the pcp - e: and the maoist communist party of turkey & north kurdistan)
Urbandale posted:So while you are technically correct that it is not the PCR-RCP's line, it is a relatively important aspect that must be argued if their claim of universality is to hold any weight and I believe it will either become official party theory or remain an ideological fault line inside the party until its resolved.
this first point isn't true at all because the argument put forward by the pcr-rcp actively relied on the designation of a distinct october road from which ppw could be distinguished. that is, their arguments to some degree centred around the inadequacy of current and historical attempts to follow the october road in the imperialist nations and the provision of ppw as an alternative model capable of developing beyond these failures. in that sense this wasn't an important aspect that needed to be argued because doing so would undermine the arguments they did make
you definitely know more about the internal organisation and membership of the pcr-rcp than i do and it might be true that their line is shifting towards that of jmp & the npci but i don't think it's correct at all to suggest that this shift is some fruition of the unspoken arguments made previously by the party (or the advocacy of uppw in general) when these ideas are actively opposed to each other
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blinkandwheeze posted:to be quite clear on this, the universality of ppw was at no point the characteristic or dominant line within the revolutionary internationalist movement. it was a theory put forward by the peruvian communist party (albeit with many qualifications), who were admittedly perhaps the single most influential group in the foundation of the rim, but it was not adopted by even a significant minority of member parties, more commonly this line has been outright rejected. there have been attempts to establish a neo-rim in recent years that include the adoption of this line but none of these parties, at least to my knowledge, are actually former members (with the exception of one of the many factions that emerged from the dissolution of the pcp)
this is true, my mistake, though there are ex rim parties involved in neo-rim such as the C(m)PA in Afghanistan and at least meetings with the pro-people's war side of the maoist split in Nepal.
blinkandwheeze posted:this first point isn't true at all because the argument put forward by the pcr-rcp actively relied on the designation of a distinct october road from which ppw could be distinguished.
i agree that the current PCR-RCP line relies on the Russian Rev being interpreted as an insurrection, but only for the name. in one of the old People's War mags they claimed every attempt to make a revolution after Russia but before China failed because it was an attempt to recreate the Russian Rev, but this is merely a way of saying they utilized the strategy of insurrection. though this claim has issues, it doesnt have to rely on the Russian Rev being interpreted as an insurrection, and in fact if they can claim Russia for their side then they would be able to argue, as im told nPCI already is (though i cant read italian so i have to take the word of friends in italy), that insurrection is the policy of failed revolution in every instance. this is a much stronger claim of universality, and is much more appealing, since it can actually claim to be universal, as opposed to the currently-existing PCR-RCP line.