Superabound posted:wait, so now you guys are saying that even literally advocating for mass copkilling is bad? where am i right now
literally the best use of your leverage as a citizen of a core nation (not in every instance but most) and it's very easy to start developing contacts with "comrades" overseas to help facilitate this
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Superabound posted:sorry but as Southerner literally surrounded by the criminal element i was taught to never look a Dead Cop in the mouth
if you substitute "jew" in traditional fascist ideology, with "big government", the anti-government and anti-state rhetoric espoused by libertarians makes a bit more sense, imo
it's not that they are opposed to a police state but what they feel is a government that is aiding the underclass, and also why the obama presidency (hhim being black) has incensed the alex jones types to such a greater degree. libertarians really are fascists, it's simply that america is a degenerate Liberal hellhole and american fascism is a synthesis between atomized liberal-individualism and european fascism we're more accustomed to
saying that Libertarians who want to destroy the basic power structures of the US government cannot possibly be strategically used to further the aims and goals of Leftism because they only want to replace it with More Fascism seems to me like others saying ISIS fighting to overthrow the Assad government cannot possibly be being used to further the aims and goals of the US government because they want to replace it with a Muslim Caliphate
if you want to get up and do something, forget helping libertarians with their fascist program and go join a communist organization instead? and go organize workers and prisoners & shit?? theres' only a handful of libertarian antiwar activists that are useful and it's mostly for like information dispersal, but even that is fundamentally compromised by their 1) ideology and 2) the dirty money their ilk swim in.
political struggle isn't about getting to a blank slate, zeropoint, it's about actively fighting for and transforming society towards a particular goal. helping rightwingers isnt going to open up a space for you to carry out some already-realized program. you need to build up this program and fight to establish it through dedicated struggle
Superabound posted:i still dont see why we shouldnt be glad and supportive of petite fascists and actual fascists being provoked into literally killing each other while Actual Leftists sit back and argue about eugenics and charter schools on the internet while taking none of the blame
they aren't actually accomplishing anything except emboldening the police state, ironically
AmericanNazbro posted:there is no left in the USA and attempting to elevate groups like libertarians to be a bargain bin substitute is depressing as hell. also, that's exactly what hegemony wants
most leftism in america today is trying to convince workers that our abstract society is better than capitalism (see r/communism on reddit). this is really sad but a symptom of the absence of class struggle in whatever pathetic or petty form in the first world. its not really a matter of 'convincing' as struggling proletarians are attracted to ideas of an advanced revolutionary consciousness..... marx wasn't advertised but became disseminated amongst radicalized proletarians. soo we can only provide direction to an active working class movement an attempt to merge marxism with it
Crow posted:Allying with oligarch-backed libertarians to fight the US government is like allying with NATO-backed ISIS to fight US imperialism.
yeah but im only "allying" with libertarians to the extent that i think its badas when they kill agents of the US government and greatly encourage them to continue to do so. so uhh, yeah, ironically the exact same way i ally with NATO-backed ISIS
Superabound posted:Crow posted:Allying with oligarch-backed libertarians to fight the US government is like allying with NATO-backed ISIS to fight US imperialism.
yeah but im only "allying" with libertarians to the extent that i think its badas when they kill agents of the US government and greatly encourage them to continue to do so. so uhh, yeah, ironically the exact same way i ally with NATO-backed ISIS
Yeah narcissistic campaigns of vigilantism against bottom-ranking half-retarded leos that play out like superbowl commercials for domestic MRAP stockpiling are totally bad ass
Superabound posted:i really should stop posting until this background check goes through
the same way youtube, google ads, facebook and amazon has an algorithm to recommend links to people based upon their browsing history, the US govt has a program that does the same to predict "enemies of the state" based upon tweets/posts and along with meta data it's used to assassinate people in the mena (so far). suicide by tweet is Real.
daddyholes posted:if you work with libertarians you will be subject to surveillance. the money behind those groups comes from Palantir, aka the people who do Computers for the NSA, do you think they dont do doc analysis of their own shell organizations?
this isn't accurate at all lol
swampman posted:Superabound posted:Crow posted:Allying with oligarch-backed libertarians to fight the US government is like allying with NATO-backed ISIS to fight US imperialism.
yeah but im only "allying" with libertarians to the extent that i think its badas when they kill agents of the US government and greatly encourage them to continue to do so. so uhh, yeah, ironically the exact same way i ally with NATO-backed ISIS
Yeah narcissistic campaigns of vigilantism against bottom-ranking half-retarded leos that play out like superbowl commercials for domestic MRAP stockpiling are totally bad ass
lol
NoFreeWill posted:daddyholes posted:if you work with libertarians you will be subject to surveillance. the money behind those groups comes from Palantir, aka the people who do Computers for the NSA, do you think they dont do doc analysis of their own shell organizations?
this isn't accurate at all lol
Yea, everyones gonna believe you
daddyholes posted:if you work with libertarians you will be subject to surveillance. the money behind those groups comes from Palantir, aka the people who do Computers for the NSA, do you think they dont do doc analysis of their own shell organizations?
libertarian groups are funded by lots of other people (kochs etc.) as well, and are not "shell" organizations. and i doubt they are concerned enough about the true believers (so many libertarian group infiltrators) to conduct extensive surveillance when they already do a good job ostracizing anyone with left-libertarian leanings.
AmericanNazbro posted:Superabound posted:i really should stop posting until this background check goes through
the same way youtube, google ads, facebook and amazon has an algorithm to recommend links to people based upon their browsing history, the US govt has a program that does the same to predict "enemies of the state" based upon tweets/posts and along with meta data it's used to assassinate people in the mena (so far). suicide by tweet is Real.
also, i used the exact same email address to complete my online background check as i used to sign up for the rhizzone, twitter, facebook, and make thousands of egregiously unacceptable drive-by trolls on a few dozen sites all across the internet
NoFreeWill posted:daddyholes posted:if you work with libertarians you will be subject to surveillance. the money behind those groups comes from Palantir, aka the people who do Computers for the NSA, do you think they dont do doc analysis of their own shell organizations?
libertarian groups are funded by lots of other people (kochs etc.) as well, and are not "shell" organizations. and i doubt they are concerned enough about the true believers (so many libertarian group infiltrators) to conduct extensive surveillance when they already do a good job ostracizing anyone with left-libertarian leanings.
o really? thats amazing, can you cite some sources for these feelings you have
Superabound posted:AmericanNazbro posted:Superabound posted:i really should stop posting until this background check goes through
the same way youtube, google ads, facebook and amazon has an algorithm to recommend links to people based upon their browsing history, the US govt has a program that does the same to predict "enemies of the state" based upon tweets/posts and along with meta data it's used to assassinate people in the mena (so far). suicide by tweet is Real.
also, i used the exact same email address to complete my online background check as i used to sign up for the rhizzone, twitter, facebook, and make thousands of egregiously unacceptable drive-by trolls on a few dozen sites all across the internet
*nods solemnly*
See you in the iso-cubes, comrade.
dave: is there anything particular u wanna say to your fans about this album that u haven;t said in other interviews?
rich: i didnt really feel like i said anyfink of note in recent interviews I've just done as was still in a bit of a regretamin hole, no sleep...also like we were saying before, journo's tend to write their articles before they have even talked to you and you get the impression with a lot of them that you don't need to be there at all.
hopefully this will b diff though
be good if people could wake up quicker and realise what is actually going on in the world, how people are being controlled, well nobody is actually in total control nobody ever will be , life is too chaotic but there are lot's of people trying and doing pretty well at the moment and the majority of people are falling for it.
I keep forgetting that most people are totally friggin oblivious to how they are being programmed& controlled from birth upwards from your name, being a 'citizen' which basically enters you into a contract, it goes on from there.
Recently when some journo's were saying 'so you actually believe 9/11 was an inside job' , attempting to paint picture of me bein a crackpot , I was totally shocked, they were intelligent people but still they didnt get it, just popularist, pandering to what they think will be popular, instead of thinking for themselves and expressing their own opinions.
Im really, really sorry to all folks who might be reading this but if you believe the ridiculous story that is being pedaled about 9/11 from the mainstream media then you are absolutely gullible, some very clever people are also very naive and very gullible, they are not nasty people but very trusting and theyre good nature is being taken advantage of. Not believing the mainstream media is very hard for some folk who have put their trust and faith in the state and press, breaking that faith will not be an easy process for many.
Some people just see through bullshit very effortlessly and can easily tell when people are lying, others it seems can't , that in itself is an area im interested in.
When I first watched footage of 9/11, I was around this geezers house in London , he is a real geezer n all , I was buying old jungle records , he had this massive widescreen tv in his flat which was too big for the room, classic and as soon as we watched the twin towers being struck ,he said really matter of factly , they just did it to themselves and I was like thank fuk for that, people are not THAT gullible.
Also dark funny moment was they kept playing the footage over and over again of the buildings going down and then at 1point they played the film backwards by mistake and the building went back up again, we had to laugh...when things are so dark, you have to laugh sometimes, those poor people and their families...one day justice will be done.
Anyway yeah 9/11 is just the tip of the iceberg isnt it but how do you break this strangle hold on humanity, well you have to start somewhere to break the illusion and 9/11 is a pretty big weakpoint in the illusion but still so many are fooled... we live in hope.
people can be made aware of these things ,covertly with music though anyhow, so I don't need to say much more.
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dave: what attracted you to dance music?
rich: well rave music, Im not sure how many people actually realised what was really going on there.
If the law hadn't stepped in, firstly in the uk, rave culture would have almost certainly lead to a revolution and the authorities were absolutely taking it very seriously.
Raves were getting bigger and bigger , like hundreds of thousands and some people were just traveling around going from rave to rave, loads of diff types were in there, people making money out of it etc of course but essentially it was groups of people partying,being together from all different backgrounds and having a good time, not hurting anyone.
ok thats oversimplified but it was all in there, in the music.
Thats one of the things dnce music had at the end of the 80's-early 90's , spirit of togetherness with chicago house & acid and then when it turned into ardkore in the uk it was like ok were all together now lets fucking do summink about it! smash up the dance and take to the streets!
daddyholes posted:i mean what do you want from these jerks lol? a strong third place in the iowa caucuses? shitty overpriced weed?
votes to cut us military funding. votes to stop us wars. maybe? long shot sure, but as an american isn't my first and overriding obligation is to the rest of the world, and to take every chance i get to do so?
besides from an american perspective, whats the harm? are you afraid of the american anticapitalist left losing its power, influence, or credibility because someone votes ron paul?