Lessons posted:
somehow being a misogynist drug addict who indulges in rampant fornication doesn't seem to amount to a fulfilling life. just can't figure this one out. a real puzzler.

lol

what leads to a fulfilling life though? what control over that does someone have.

AmericanNazbro posted:

Lessons posted:
somehow being a misogynist drug addict who indulges in rampant fornication doesn't seem to amount to a fulfilling life. just can't figure this one out. a real puzzler.

lol

what leads to a fulfilling life though? what control over that does someone have.

well everyone who is alive presumably has at least some fulfilment in their lives otherwise they would have obliterated themselves.

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

babyfinland posted:
whats wrong with puritanism

tends to be a bit preachy imho

i'm glad if people find their own nirvana through asceticism and discipline but it doesn't mean i want to hear their prescriptions for my life.

well fine but i dont see how that pertains to puritanism, hedonists are far more preachy and pushy in my experience, since their values and lifestyles are institutionalized in capitalism whereas puritanism requires the sovereignty of church and community

not that i like to draw the distinction between puritanism and capitalism since they are part and parcel of modern governmentality but you get what im saying

deadken posted:
puritanism is smallness basically; ive got no problem with asceticism but the discipline of the ascetic is expansive, sometimes revolutionary even, puritanism is a reactionary viciousness, it comes from a position of jealousy, more often than not i think it masks a desire to be like the unbridled other, its bitter and repulsive

puritanism is a specific christian sect that had a historical lifespan of a few hundred years, which obviously youre nto talking about here. what is "puritanism" to you

Impper posted:
incels own

You lie!

babyfinland posted:

deadken posted:
puritanism is smallness basically; ive got no problem with asceticism but the discipline of the ascetic is expansive, sometimes revolutionary even, puritanism is a reactionary viciousness, it comes from a position of jealousy, more often than not i think it masks a desire to be like the unbridled other, its bitter and repulsive

puritanism is a specific christian sect that had a historical lifespan of a few hundred years, which obviously youre nto talking about here. what is "puritanism" to you

i dunno exactly but its a general tendency towards the restriction of jouissance, it takes up restriction and discipline not towards any particular goal but for the sake of restriction itself, although obviously it tends to adopt ideological appearances

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

babyfinland posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

babyfinland posted:
whats wrong with puritanism

tends to be a bit preachy imho

i'm glad if people find their own nirvana through asceticism and discipline but it doesn't mean i want to hear their prescriptions for my life.

well fine but i dont see how that pertains to puritanism, hedonists are far more preachy and pushy in my experience, since their values and lifestyles are institutionalized in capitalism whereas puritanism requires the sovereignty of church and community

not that i like to draw the distinction between puritanism and capitalism since they are part and parcel of modern governmentality but you get what im saying

Yeah and that’s a good point I thought of just after I posted it: what is consumer capitalism if not preachy?

Hmmm, puritanism is a pretty nebulous term though.

I dunno, I just don’t like the fun-police I guess

the idea that puritans never had fun is ridiculous tbh. they werent even anti-sex or anything. these are deeply engrained stereotypes in post-settler nationhoods that say a lot about what our present values are, that they require this sort of launching pad and a certain trajectory of increasing "progress" coupled to hedonism and anarchy etc.

futurewidow posted:

deadken posted:
what should i do thug lessons. guess fulfilment can only be attained through the institutions of marriage, sobriety and the state huh

you should aim for more meaningful relationships imo

probably but my last proper relationship was a huge fuckin mess of conflicting desires and aspirations and emotions everywhere like bits of flesh after a workplace massacre and i have no real desire to go back there for a while

deadken posted:

babyfinland posted:
cool thats a thing that has never existed and probably by definition can't exist. flap some more at the spectre of your ghoulish father-jew i guess

its basically everywhere, even within 'permissive' capitalism, its just rarely expressed as it is for obvious reasons. also my dad was Hella Chill, i thought that was obvious

capitalism isnt "permissive", its injunctive. just like u