deadken posted:
im going to write a scholarly essay on hybridity and cultural appropriation regarding the phenomenon of white cockney backing vocals on grime tracks

when did this becoming A Thing, any examples?

My UK geo-musical tastes are simple. black people from the south and white people from the north, putting donks on shit etc.

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

babyfinland posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Let's discuss why fascism is so aesthetically pleasing

there's nothing "fascist" about "fascist aesthetics" its just modernism

I dunno, modernism doesn't seem to require eagles and ye olde insignia on banners and shit.

linbiao420 1:57 pm
what are u saying
modernism and fascism

jools420 1:58 pm
p intimately linked my guy particularly at that time

linbiao420 1:59 pm
well yes but i dont think it makes any sense to talk about "fascist" aesthetics as having any essential characteristics
the aesthetics of fascism are contingent on the aesthetics of the time

jools420 2:00 pm
we're talking about Actually Existing Fascism though
and i dont think thats necessarily true, depending on how tightly you're defining fascism fascist aesthetics are always gonna valorise certain things

linbiao420 2:01 pm
ok thats a fair point

jools420 2:01 pm
i mean

linbiao420 2:01 pm
i guess my objection is just that soviet aesthetics are so similar

jools420 2:01 pm
thats true

linbiao420 2:02 pm
so it doesnt make a lot of sense to talk about "fascist" aesthetics

jools420 2:02 pm
but then there are good reasons for that i think

linbiao420 2:02 pm
rather than like early-mid 20th C modernism

jools420 2:02 pm
i think you could say both of them and not be wrong
modernism was massively sceptical of liberal democracy

blinkandwheeze posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Also, don't confuse Stalinist architecture with communist architecture, as much as I love the guy he let his personal (somewhat tacky) tastes run roughshod over some amazing movements that were growing out of Actually Existing Socialism in the 20s.

i like the constructivists as much as the next guy but i think this view is erroneous, the particular creative trends that came to forefront under stalin had long histories as ideologies developed by a number of dedicated and independent artistic unions that had received little to no state attention previously (perhaps thanks to a certain mr. trotsky). the modernist schools were only maligned to the degree the realists had also been thanks to disproportionate state support, i don't think you can attribute that reorientation simply to stalin's idiosyncratic personal tastes.

they werent really anything to do with Stalin's tastes, other than maybe an ambiguous, general respect for European civilization? the neoclassical designs were indeed a long time coming, and their triumph wasn't really related to a partisan battle of the nomenklatura or something like this, but a sort of general artistic backlash against the elite artistic vanguard.

it's an interesting point that the Stalinist design is among the best-built architecture in Moscow, and is highly sought after not just because of their location, but their structural integrity and use of space. Even if one looks at Khrushchev-era buildings, after he disbanded the Soviet Academy of Architecture ("Stalinist excess"), they just don't hold up structurally, it's a serious decline in quality. i think the attack against Stalinist architecture is usually more along strictly ideological lines not as much an aesthetic dissent. in my opinion it's a cliche, but what do i know? I check my privilege, unlike some.

deadken posted:
i didnt like socialist realism for a while but seminov is p cool