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scotland/naxalites: one struggle
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jiroemon1897 posted:

Make Dundee the capital of New Even More Privatised Scotland.



so are thje privatizers Yes or No? i assumed they wanted to keep Scotland in the UK in order to ensure the ~*Free Flow of Capital*~ across Her majestic border?

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the privatisers are No. a major plank of the Yes platform is protecting the NHS from privatisation

meanwhile
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they're more so the Yes peeps, imo. both choices are obviously for different neoliberal blocs, but i'd argue the situation is sorta like how Ukraine being removed from the Russian economic bloc has seen even worse privatization, despite the fact that the crash course neoliberalism after the USSR's demise was devastating just the same. the situation is clearly worse in the case of Ukraine, but the concept of "autonomy" so another neoliberal bloc can move in just to privatize things even further than the previous one is the lesser of two evils.
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i think the continuing the NHS thing is just a campaign device to provide an "alternative" that most would agree with and thus vote yes. obviously the UK would still be highly involved with an independent Scotland, but they wouldn't be able to afford anything of the same standard and just end up austerity-ing it up with continental Europe. i'm interested in disagreeing views, since i'm mos def not super informed about the whole situation.
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Yeah I don't think it's actually that simple. Obviously a Yes vote is not a vote to break from neoliberalism and escaping its influence would be practically impossible - it's likely that an 'independent' Scotland would join NATO and possibly the EU. It would also, I expect, remain part of the Commonwealth. However, I think the NHS argument is quite serious. Scotland has always been quite socialist. The Tories have basically no support - even less than in the north of England. Getting rid of Trident, another major plank of the Yes campaign, would be a massive boost to the Scottish budget, in the order of billions of pounds, and the No camp has been desperate to downplay the potential of Scottish oil reserves, helped by suddenly pessimistic UK govt projections which fly in the face of industry expectations.

I don't mean to say that I'm a big fan of Salmond/SNP but I do think the Yes campaign is making a genuine offer of a less militaristic, more socialist future for Scotland.
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Petrol posted:

the privatisers are No. a major plank of the Yes platform is protecting the NHS from privatisation



ok yeah, thats what i thought i remembered from the debates

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scenes from glasgow


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BBC calls it for NO! The union persists!
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scottish independence lol
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all over bar the shouting. No to win with an unsurprisingly high margin in richer areas. strangely low turnout in the larger Yes areas - Glasgow in particular where the count room was evacuated a couple of times because of fire alarms(!).

all in all though, an unsurprising win after the last 2 weeks' show of force from a united front of the heads of banking & business along with gordon brown, all spouting not-very-thinly-veiled whitehall threats. still, it was exciting to think that the campaign had a chance of getting up because the No camp realised too late how hard they needed to push the propaganda
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A real tragedy in the struggle for the self determination of the white race. RIP to a free scotland
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The monarchists defeated the republicans years back in Australia, the unionists defeated the seditious today! Let's hope they take action so a third victory isn't necessary.
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Lykourgos posted:

The monarchists defeated the republicans years back in Australia, the unionists defeated the seditious today. Let's hope they take action so a third victory isn't necessary.



agreed. a final solution must be found for the scottish / australian problem.

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EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

Lykourgos posted:

The monarchists defeated the republicans years back in Australia, the unionists defeated the seditious today. Let's hope they take action so a third victory isn't necessary.

agreed. a final solution must be found for the scottish / australian problem.



Yep, let's pray this gives a huge boost in membership and support for loyalist institutions.

This thread is now open for jpegs of crying people draped in blue and white flags

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it is a super boring thread
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the Scottish people should respond to this travesty by making themselves as filthy, loud, violent, and impossible to live with as possible, like a disgruntled roommate you wont allow to break their lease
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Good to see solidarity with the proletariat here, comrades.
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hmmm lol


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reasons this sort of mattered:

the independence vote was mobilised on a platform to the left of the 3 national parties (the SNP also ran on this platform in 2010). it was basically an anti-neoliberal platform. this is cool.

a lot of the UK's geostrategic importance depends on scotland. the GIUK gap would become the GIS gap with an independent scotland. this matters because the SNP had a long-standing anti-NATO policy. although they dropped this (albeit leaving the question open), they have kept their anti-nuclear stance. so independent scotland could have meant the end of the UK's nukes altogether. and even joining NATO wouldn't be a foregone conclusion - the SNP's spending plans included defence spending well below that required for NATO members, and simply the fact that it would become an open political issue would have provided a pretty great opportunity to make the argument that joining NATO is a bad idea. given NATO has a secret anti-communist provision, and that it's just fucking bad all round, this would have been cool.

im not sure it was easy to see outside the UK just how insane the ruling class went in the 2 weeks preceding the referendum, as things got much tighter (yes went from barely breaking 40% in the polls to near even). they ended up having to bribe the scottish electorate with promises of the kind of devolution they wanted to avoid in the first place with a straight yes/no question. they had politicians and celebrities posing with saltires everywhere. saltires flying from all public buildings. it was fucking bizarre.
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NATO is anti-communist???
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EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

Lykourgos posted:

The monarchists defeated the republicans years back in Australia, the unionists defeated the seditious today. Let's hope they take action so a third victory isn't necessary.

agreed. a final solution must be found for the scottish / australian problem.


My Struggle by Iggy Azalea

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the queen's thugs celebrated in glasgow with a coordinated march into the area where the Yes supporters had been gathering all week. they carried union jacks and rangers flags (only 90s scots will understand!! lol). they randomly bashed Yes supporters, threw nazi salutes next to the war memorial, and bizarrely even burned the saltire. the BBC is reporting 'scuffles' between 'groups'. heh. so, everything worked out great
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calling all Yes supporters
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jools posted:

reasons this sort of mattered:

the independence vote was mobilised on a platform to the left of the 3 national parties (the SNP also ran on this platform in 2010). it was basically an anti-neoliberal platform. this is cool.

a lot of the UK's geostrategic importance depends on scotland. the GIUK gap would become the GIS gap with an independent scotland. this matters because the SNP had a long-standing anti-NATO policy. although they dropped this (albeit leaving the question open), they have kept their anti-nuclear stance. so independent scotland could have meant the end of the UK's nukes altogether. and even joining NATO wouldn't be a foregone conclusion - the SNP's spending plans included defence spending well below that required for NATO members, and simply the fact that it would become an open political issue would have provided a pretty great opportunity to make the argument that joining NATO is a bad idea. given NATO has a secret anti-communist provision, and that it's just fucking bad all round, this would have been cool.

im not sure it was easy to see outside the UK just how insane the ruling class went in the 2 weeks preceding the referendum, as things got much tighter (yes went from barely breaking 40% in the polls to near even). they ended up having to bribe the scottish electorate with promises of the kind of devolution they wanted to avoid in the first place with a straight yes/no question. they had politicians and celebrities posing with saltires everywhere. saltires flying from all public buildings. it was fucking bizarre.


following it daily in the papers in montreal (where, obvs, it's been followed very closely) the sudden hard push and closing of ranks seemed pretty clear. i was really hoping that the attention and realization that it was a possibility might have woken up some people out of their "yeah, that could never happen" and spur them to move to the Yes side, but the fear & pandering seems to have been successful... works here too

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you in montreal drwhat? what you thinking bout the rally the municipal workers are throwing tomorrow? I was thinking of going to show solidarity but I dunno bout supporting the police union.
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You misspelled capitalism as lavos....you should probably try again.
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Red_Canadian posted:

You misspelled capitalism as lavos....you should probably try again.



*activates Mammon Machine*

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in'Schala
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Red_Canadian posted:

you in montreal drwhat? what you thinking bout the rally the municipal workers are throwing tomorrow? I was thinking of going to show solidarity but I dunno bout supporting the police union.


had no idea it was happening. I'm a little uncomfortable with seeing police cars that are covered in these stickers to the point where you can't even see that they say Police anymore on parts of them. Like, I get it, you don't steal, ok. (what a passive aggressive slogan, fuck.) I am against anyone's long term benefits getting fucked but I am also unfamiliar with how often the police union shows up to support any other workers. I haven't lived here long enough. I was paying a lot more attention to Scotland.

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Red_Canadian posted:

but I dunno bout supporting the police union.


I do.