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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/10/muslim-anti-gay-leaflet-hate
Muslim men accused of hate crime over anti-gay leaflet
Five men go on trial over leaflet calling for gay people to face death penalty in first prosecution of its kind under new law
Five Muslim men from Derby have gone on trial for allegedly handing out leaflets calling for gay people to be killed in the first ever prosecution under new legislation making such actions a hate crime.
The men, Ihjaz Ali, 42, Mehboob Hussain, 45, Umar Javed, 38, Razwan Javed, 27, and Kabir Ahmed, 28, are accused of handing out to passersby and posting through letterboxes a leaflet calling for gay people to be given the death penalty, and stating that gay sex is a great sin that leads to hell.
They are accused of stirring up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation, the first prosecution under new legislation which came into force in March 2010. They deny the charges.
A jury at Derby crown court heard that the five men had handed out a leaflet entitled The Death Penalty? outside and near the Jamia mosque in Rosehill Street, Derby, in July 2010, as well as putting it through nearby letterboxes. The pamphlet showed an image of a mannequin hanging from a noose.
The leaflet was one of several that the men were distributing, but the charges relate only to one called The Death Penalty? the jury heard.
Bobbie Cheema, opening the case for the prosecution, said: "The leaflets you will see are not educational or simply informative. They are, we suggest, threatening, offensive, frightening and nasty."
A fourth leaflet, entitled Dead Derby, had been found but not distributed, she told the court. It described homosexuality as a "vile, ugly, cancerous disease" and stated: "Gay today, paedophile tomorrow?"
"A word of warning," she told the jury of seven men and five women. "This case is not about, and we must not make it about, an interference with the defendants' freedom of religion or freedom to express their religious views in an attempt to educate or inform people.
"The vast majority of Muslim, and indeed other religious people, or people with no religion but who have strong views about homosexuality, are able to express their views if they wish in a critical but lawful, moderate and self-controlled way. That's one of the rights we have."
Ali, of Fairfax Road, Derby, faces four counts while Hussain, of Rosehill Street, Normanton, and Umar Javed, of Whittaker Street, Derby, are charged with two counts each. Razwan Javed, of Wilfred Street, Derby, and Kabir Ahmed, of Madeley Street, Derby, are charged with one count each.
The Crown says Ali was charged with four counts because he was the person responsible for the distribution of the leaflets.
Each of the five men admits distributing the leaflets, but Cheema said they would probably put forward various lines of defence.
In police interviews, she told the court, Ahmed had said he did not feel that the views expressed in The Death Penalty? leaflet – which suggested three different ways to murder gay people – were wrong and simply expressed what Islam says about homosexuality, adding that it was his duty as a Muslim to condemn it.
Razwan Javed, Cheema said, had also admitted distributing the leaflets but said it was only to raise awareness about what Islam says about homosexuality and not to frighten or threaten anyone.
Cheema said Ali had approached police a few weeks before a planned Gay Pride parade in Derby to discuss a counter-protest by members of the Muslim community, and was advised that any placards, flyers or speeches that were made should be carefully worded to avoid committing a criminal offence.
He had shown police an A4 page of slogans intended for use on placards with some crossed out by his solicitor and asked police to check out the remaining ones, she said.
Cheema said they contained slogans such as: "Stay gay and you will pay," and "Adam and Eve, not Steve".
His request for permission for a counter-protest was eventually refused because he had not applied to the council with enough time before the parade.
"You will have to assess quite how much Mr Ali wanted to carry out a lawful and legal protest and quite how much of what he wanted was a shield he could hide behind from the consequences of what he really hoped to achieve," she said.
The trial continues.
Muslim men accused of hate crime over anti-gay leaflet
Five men go on trial over leaflet calling for gay people to face death penalty in first prosecution of its kind under new law
Five Muslim men from Derby have gone on trial for allegedly handing out leaflets calling for gay people to be killed in the first ever prosecution under new legislation making such actions a hate crime.
The men, Ihjaz Ali, 42, Mehboob Hussain, 45, Umar Javed, 38, Razwan Javed, 27, and Kabir Ahmed, 28, are accused of handing out to passersby and posting through letterboxes a leaflet calling for gay people to be given the death penalty, and stating that gay sex is a great sin that leads to hell.
They are accused of stirring up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation, the first prosecution under new legislation which came into force in March 2010. They deny the charges.
A jury at Derby crown court heard that the five men had handed out a leaflet entitled The Death Penalty? outside and near the Jamia mosque in Rosehill Street, Derby, in July 2010, as well as putting it through nearby letterboxes. The pamphlet showed an image of a mannequin hanging from a noose.
The leaflet was one of several that the men were distributing, but the charges relate only to one called The Death Penalty? the jury heard.
Bobbie Cheema, opening the case for the prosecution, said: "The leaflets you will see are not educational or simply informative. They are, we suggest, threatening, offensive, frightening and nasty."
A fourth leaflet, entitled Dead Derby, had been found but not distributed, she told the court. It described homosexuality as a "vile, ugly, cancerous disease" and stated: "Gay today, paedophile tomorrow?"
"A word of warning," she told the jury of seven men and five women. "This case is not about, and we must not make it about, an interference with the defendants' freedom of religion or freedom to express their religious views in an attempt to educate or inform people.
"The vast majority of Muslim, and indeed other religious people, or people with no religion but who have strong views about homosexuality, are able to express their views if they wish in a critical but lawful, moderate and self-controlled way. That's one of the rights we have."
Ali, of Fairfax Road, Derby, faces four counts while Hussain, of Rosehill Street, Normanton, and Umar Javed, of Whittaker Street, Derby, are charged with two counts each. Razwan Javed, of Wilfred Street, Derby, and Kabir Ahmed, of Madeley Street, Derby, are charged with one count each.
The Crown says Ali was charged with four counts because he was the person responsible for the distribution of the leaflets.
Each of the five men admits distributing the leaflets, but Cheema said they would probably put forward various lines of defence.
In police interviews, she told the court, Ahmed had said he did not feel that the views expressed in The Death Penalty? leaflet – which suggested three different ways to murder gay people – were wrong and simply expressed what Islam says about homosexuality, adding that it was his duty as a Muslim to condemn it.
Razwan Javed, Cheema said, had also admitted distributing the leaflets but said it was only to raise awareness about what Islam says about homosexuality and not to frighten or threaten anyone.
Cheema said Ali had approached police a few weeks before a planned Gay Pride parade in Derby to discuss a counter-protest by members of the Muslim community, and was advised that any placards, flyers or speeches that were made should be carefully worded to avoid committing a criminal offence.
He had shown police an A4 page of slogans intended for use on placards with some crossed out by his solicitor and asked police to check out the remaining ones, she said.
Cheema said they contained slogans such as: "Stay gay and you will pay," and "Adam and Eve, not Steve".
His request for permission for a counter-protest was eventually refused because he had not applied to the council with enough time before the parade.
"You will have to assess quite how much Mr Ali wanted to carry out a lawful and legal protest and quite how much of what he wanted was a shield he could hide behind from the consequences of what he really hoped to achieve," she said.
The trial continues.
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"A word of warning," she told the jury of seven men and five women. "This case is not about, and we must not make it about, an interference with the defendants' freedom of religion or freedom to express their religious views in an attempt to educate or inform people.
this is the part where youre supposed to go FOOKIN ELL THESE BLOODY LIBERALS
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jools posted:
theyre MI5
who isn't
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babyfinland posted:"A word of warning," she told the jury of seven men and five women. "This case is not about, and we must not make it about, an interference with the defendants' freedom of religion or freedom to express their religious views in an attempt to educate or inform people.this is the part where youre supposed to go FOOKIN ELL THESE BLOODY LIBERALS
No, it's the part where you roll your eyes and blame the constitution
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I just think its nice to see some public protest in britain with a bit more ideological passion than breaking into chippies and stealing teles
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
I just think its nice to see some public protest in britain with a bit more ideological passion than breaking into chippies and stealing teles
the riots were the only truly ideological event in britain for decades imo
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Yeah but not in a good way, they only cemented just how consumed by hypercapitalism Britain has become that the goal of mass unrest is personal material gain rather than class struggle
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the form taken by the revolutionary movement is inexorably determined by the social conditions that prefigure it.... i dont see why you cant fight capital and also get a free flatscreen telly while youre at it
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in interviews a bunch of rioters talked about deliberately avoiding local businesses and targeting chain stores instead.... a couple of local businesses did get burned down but divine violence is governed by its own morality....
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But the very act of such rioting itself is subsumed within capital as a way to sell TV and paper fear to scared white people and sell a faux-dangerous hip, urban BBC X-tra defanged ghetto-rebellion to the youf
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oh yeah after the riots had been crushed for sure, for a while it was genuinely terrifying though... the accepted social order broke down to the extent that racial self-protection militias were being formed across the country, obviously that's not a good thing but the sudden it testifies to the extent of societal disintegration, it was a brief suspension of the Law but it was not at all illusory
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Yeah ill cop to that.....every day they were on i got to my office at 9 am as it was about 7 at night in britain, Id put my headphones in and listen to LBC talkback and they all sounded fucking terrified......i know this sounds churlish and petty but i totally hope they happen again during the olympics
beside: we have riots about race here, rioting over trainers is probably better than that
beside: we have riots about race here, rioting over trainers is probably better than that
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oh yeah me too... problem is that they were a kind of catharsis really, a couple decades of mounting alienation flaring into a brief fury after systematic cuts to social services and the usual murder + coverup combo, unless the recession gets really bad its unlikely they'll happen again soon.... we can hope though
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jools posted:
theyre MI5
yeah and 9/11 was an inside job because theres no way those dumb muslims could have the courage of their convictions amirite
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britain has race riots the whole goddamn time except they tend to be between afro-caribbeans and asians lol
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Most of the 19th century was a global british race riot really
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hey discipline, i hope that life is treating you well
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deadken posted:
in interviews a bunch of rioters talked about deliberately avoiding local businesses and targeting chain stores instead.... a couple of local businesses did get burned down but divine violence is governed by its own morality....
it owned on my old street, they only smashed up bookies and pawn shops
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jools posted:deadken posted:
in interviews a bunch of rioters talked about deliberately avoiding local businesses and targeting chain stores instead.... a couple of local businesses did get burned down but divine violence is governed by its own morality....it owned on my old street, they only smashed up bookies and pawn shops
That is definitely divine violence then, they didn't target the rich directly, because how could they?