#1
http://www.peninsularity.com/2013/02/this-isnt-happening-prostitution-in-korea-does-it-actually-exist/

Peninsularity posted:

A young Korean friend asked for a little help with a short essay he had written for his university English class. We chatted over a beer in the pub, went over a couple of minor grammatical stumbles, tidied up the punctuation and a few spelling mistakes. I told him his one-page paper, whilst a bit repetitive, was fine. Then I asked if he wanted to talk about the actual topic of his essay. He seemed not to understand the question – what did the content have to do with anything? His topic was prostitution in South Korea and to summarise, it went like this…

I am glad that prostitution is illegal in Korea. On my trip to Europe last year I visited Amsterdam and I was shocked to learn that prostitution is legal there. I am glad I am Korean. Prostitution is degrading to woman and prostitution exploits women. If prostitution is legal then that means those people think it is ok to exploit women. I am happy that prostitution is illegal in Korea.

I had to ask my young friend what he thought of Korea’s massive sex industry (which 10 years ago was estimated to generate over four percent of the nation’s GDP – more than Korea’s agriculture and fisheries industries combined). Who, if anyone, was enforcing these laws my young friend was so in favour of, considering the staggering statistics frequently reported in the press on what (on numbers alone) appears to be a little-spoken national pastime.

“What about the coffee girls”, I asked.These miniskirt-clad, scooter-riding young women deliver hot flasks of coffee to businessmen all over the country. The girl sits and chats with the businessman while he enjoys his coffee. Everything else costs extra of course. This is illegal of course, but a convenience considered by many to be an important, if not necessary service, providing executive stress relief to very important men who are so busy working they don’t even have time to leave the office for sex. This is all perfectly acceptable behaviour of course, because after all it is ostensibly all about the coffee (I have a theory that all these business guys having all this relaxing, stress-reliving sex during the workday probably only became stressed and jittery in the first place because of all that coffee).

“What about the barbershops?” I went on.

Like the coffee girls, the barbershops are found nationwide and advertise their services by means of two spinning red and white ‘barbers’ poles’, which usually lead customers into the basements of buildings, where men are generally served by ajummas (some of the more seasoned industry workers, let’s say). Everybody knows somebody or has heard a story about some guy who inadvertently entered one of these establishments with a mind toward getting an actual haircut.

I quizzed him about the ‘Hooker Cards’ that litter the streets near numerous red-light districts and universities. There’s no way you can collect the whole set of these particular shiny business cards featuring a picture of a barely clothed young Korean woman and a mobile phone number. There are just too many of them. Prostitution is illegal, but it’s fine to advertise your illegal service (and phone number) all over the city.

Frequented largely by American military personnel, these bars are full of attractive young women who will approach you for a friendly chat, then ask you to buy them a drink. They’re known as ‘juicy bars’, because the ‘drink’ you buy the nice lady will cost you twenty dollars, and will have very little or no alcohol at all (so the bargirls don’t get too drunk while they’re working). In these bars you can strike a deal with the management and/or the lady, and move on from there. These are of course illegal. There are thousands of them.

“What about the ‘Love Hotels’ everywhere?”

These are basically like any other inexpensive motel, often with a computer and wide-screen TV in each room, though they can be rented by the night or by the hour. My wife and I have stayed in a few love motels around the country and it is at one of these we encountered our first dildo vending machine.

Then there are the room salons, noraebangs (private singing rooms), DVD bangs (private rooms where teenagers can also watch a DVD). Why some of these rooms also have private showers is a complete mystery… because prostitution is illegal.

Of course, you can also just stroll down various streets and choose a woman from a glass box with red neon lights exactly the same as the lights at my local butcher.

The Ministry for Gender Equality estimated that around half a million women were working in the South Korean sex industry, though some within the industry have estimated this number to be 1.2 million.

Most recent reports suggest the number of sex workers has fallen steadily since new anti-sex trafficking laws were introduced in 2007, though it remains a massive business, and other countries in the region have noted increasing numbers of Koreans women moving overseas to work in less restrictive countries, such as Australia. The great number of sex workers remaining in Korea are increasingly using internet chaatrooms and other non-traditional methods to procure clients and keep working.

I was just getting warmed, and temporarily forgot I had strayed somewhat from my friend’s original request for grammatical assistance with a 100-word English-language freshmen university homework assignment.

Getting toward full rant mode I challenged him on the safety of Korean sex workers, now that the increasing enforcement of the existing laws was forcing their industry further underground, where the women may arguably be more vulnerable to extortion, violence and disease.

Why was it exactly, that the industry workers themselves have on a number of occasions held high-profile mass protest rallies to protect their brothels and jobs, some going as far as to douse themselves in fuel and threaten self-immolation in order to ‘die with glory’ rather than lose their livelihoods.

These protesting sex workers in Seoul threaten to set themselves alight to “die with glory” rather than lose their brothels and jobs.
Where, I demanded, would a working girl (having committed a crime) go for help if she was beaten or raped?

Why exactly are Korean men reported to be the biggest (per capita) sex tourists in South-east Asian countries, such as Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam… Meanwhile back at home, upper estimates from within the industry suggest that around 20% (one in 5?!) women between 15 and 29 have worked in the industry.

My friend stopped me. I had become so involved in my impromptu rant that I’d completely failed to notice the peaceful, slightly glazed expression he was now wearing. I’d seen this face before. Koreans, as far as I know, are the champions of the galaxy at a game called ‘This Isn’t Happening’. It can be quite disarming to the uninitiated, and a game of ‘This Isn’t Happening’ can break out at any time, in any context. The conversation was over. Actually, I’m not confident it ever began.

“You don’t understand,” he said calmly, resting his hand gently on my shoulder.

“Prostitution is illegal here”.

#2

These protesting sex workers in Seoul threaten to set themselves alight to “die with glory” rather than lose their brothels and jobs.


#3
It's funny how people say legalization of prostitution is horrible because Germany has flat rate brothels (where you can have a the sex you want for a price you pay up front, but I doubt the average client can last more than 2 sessions). Except those only came because of the economic crunch and the brothels were desperately trying to drum up business. And even then while it's a raw deal for the escorts and gay rentboys, they're still making way more than any low paying service jobs. And if that's the worst thing about it and a reason to outlaw prostitution, then it would be sending SWAT teams to raid Popeye's and arrest the people eating there (Because Louisiana style fast food is not a human right).
#4
sounds like there is an easy solution to korea's problems, just hire a large number of police officers to enforce the laws.
#5
A woman wiping a senile old guys asshole after he pooped himself a completely legal and considered a legitimate job, yet if she was whipping a guy while dressed the lady from the progressive insurance commercials for money people it would be considered patriarchal oppression and the woman labeled a mentally damaged victim.
#6

MadMedico posted:

A woman wiping a senile old guys asshole after he pooped himself a completely legal and considered a legitimate job, yet if she was whipping a guy while dressed the lady from the progressive insurance commercials for money people it would be considered patriarchal oppression and the woman labeled a mentally damaged victim.

sex is different from health care and other things. which is why only people with serious cognitive disorders don't understand why fondling someone does damage even if it doesn't cause physical injury.

#7

getfiscal posted:

sex is different from health care and other things. which is why only people with serious cognitive disorders don't understand why fondling someone does damage even if it doesn't cause physical injury.



But the fondling is consensual in sex work.




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#8
madmedico do you look like one of those porn producer guys irl who is very greasy and literally dirty with dirty dirt and filth? and your entire wardrobe is clothes from the 70's and you are constantly, chronically drenched in sweat and you are almost completely bald but the hair you have left is very long and made into a ponytail?
#9
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#10
A London, Ont., teenager is challenging their school’s dress code, arguing that banning them from wearing their lycra bodysuit to class is more a human rights issue connected to their gender identity than a matter of appropriate fashion.

Maxwell Stewart, 17, said the school's decision to ban their made-to-measure bodysuit was about their identity. Stewart recently came out as androgynous – which means Stewart doesn’t identify as strictly male or female but rather gender-neutral.

Stewart was told the bodysuit didn’t adhere to the dress code of London Central Secondary School.

“It came up that it was the crotch bulge, like the imprint, which I don’t think is especially noticeable,” Stewart said.

Stewart feels most comfortable in the multi-coloured onesie, and the presence of other very popular form-fitting or revealing — clothes like yoga pants and midriff showing shirts — makes them feel singled out, Stewart said.

But Karen Edgar, superintendent with the Thames Valley District School Board, said that Stewart’s gender identity has nothing to do with the ban that reflects a dress code applicable to all students.

“Any student wearing clothing that is too revealing is asked to cover up … in fact we celebrate the individual differences of our students,” Edgar said.

The Thames Valley board already has a set of guidelines put in place that mandate the inclusion of LGBT students — a policy that is unique in Ontario.

Trans-youth activist and councillor Michelle Boyce helped advise on the rule book.

“A lot of transphobia is buried beneath other excuses, like dress codes,” Boyce said.

“Let’s face it, if you put 40 people in a room, you’re going to get 50 different opinions on what’s appropriate clothing-wise.”

Boyce doesn’t see a problem with Stewart’s chosen outfit if it’s not getting in the way of their, or other students', academic success.

For now the school said that Stewart can either wear the bodysuit with shorts or a T-shirt on top or get a less form-fitting one.

“As terrible as an experience as this has been, it has sort of helped me really accept who I am,” Stewart said.
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getfiscal posted:

“It came up that it was the crotch bulge, like the imprint, which I don’t think is especially noticeable,” Stewart said.


#12
that prostitute street is gone now, it was outside yongsan station. which if your not familiar is where the american military base is. so once again a white dude complains about what "koreans are" even though american imperialism is the problem like always
#13
also yongsan used to be the japanese military base in seoul during colonial times and many former comfort women in the imperial japanese army became sex workers for the american military. all without having to move out of their house!
#14

getfiscal posted:

A London, Ont., teenager is challenging their school’s dress code, arguing that banning them from wearing their lycra bodysuit to class is more a human rights issue connected to their gender identity than a matter of appropriate fashion.

Maxwell Stewart, 17, said the school's decision to ban their made-to-measure bodysuit was about their identity. Stewart recently came out as androgynous – which means Stewart doesn’t identify as strictly male or female but rather gender-neutral.

Stewart was told the bodysuit didn’t adhere to the dress code of London Central Secondary School.

“It came up that it was the crotch bulge, like the imprint, which I don’t think is especially noticeable,” Stewart said.

Stewart feels most comfortable in the multi-coloured onesie, and the presence of other very popular form-fitting or revealing — clothes like yoga pants and midriff showing shirts — makes them feel singled out, Stewart said.

But Karen Edgar, superintendent with the Thames Valley District School Board, said that Stewart’s gender identity has nothing to do with the ban that reflects a dress code applicable to all students.

“Any student wearing clothing that is too revealing is asked to cover up … in fact we celebrate the individual differences of our students,” Edgar said.

The Thames Valley board already has a set of guidelines put in place that mandate the inclusion of LGBT students — a policy that is unique in Ontario.

Trans-youth activist and councillor Michelle Boyce helped advise on the rule book.

“A lot of transphobia is buried beneath other excuses, like dress codes,” Boyce said.

“Let’s face it, if you put 40 people in a room, you’re going to get 50 different opinions on what’s appropriate clothing-wise.”

Boyce doesn’t see a problem with Stewart’s chosen outfit if it’s not getting in the way of their, or other students', academic success.

For now the school said that Stewart can either wear the bodysuit with shorts or a T-shirt on top or get a less form-fitting one.

“As terrible as an experience as this has been, it has sort of helped me really accept who I am,” Stewart said.

nice pronouns

#15

babyhueypnewton posted:

that prostitute street is gone now, it was outside yongsan station. which if your not familiar is where the american military base is. so once again a white dude complains about what "koreans are" even though american imperialism is the problem like always

once again bhpn weighs in on the ins and outs of hiring sex workers in east asia

#16
i'm surprised that there's such a market for prostitutes in SK considering that the whiskeydick (sojudick) situation there must be extreme 24/7
#17
does this really happen to some guys that they get drunk and they go impotent
#18
woa occupied korea is very progressive, particularly around the imperial military zones, good on them for fighting their infamous colonial Puritan ancestors *wanks softly onto a belt buckle*
#19
Madmedico just got commendations for feminist defense os Progressive korea

#20
Who said Korea is progressive? It's more of an example of why criminalization of sex work is a failure.
#21

MadMedico posted:

Who said Korea is progressive?



I Fucking did

#22
My moneys on the 420 Tank. Because i support north korean terrorism with the Weed i illegeally purchase.
#23
Bush did the 49th parallel
#24
in stead of prostitution why not have some kind of system where you sign a contract for a woman to come live with you in exchange for half your salary but the sex is entirely optional? the government could even hand out tax breaks for this to encourage business
#25
why not fuck a shit.