geographically, even the small foothold the interlopers have claimed, the so-called 'northern ireland,' is majority nationalist/republican. the englsi hunionists won a majority of seats in 4 counties of 9 in ulster, and this ludicrous basis (a 4 county state?) was converted into the partition of eire, with the democratically elected isnn fein bieng banned, pogroms in northern ireland, and the bloody sunday massacre taking place along the way. chraast almighty sinn fein is even still winning pluralities in modewrn day northern ireland, can we get a united ireland already
http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/Why-Gerry-Adams-arrest-is-a-complete-farce.html
Why Gerry Adams arrest is a farce and one-sided justice
The arrest of Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams for questioning about the murder in 1972 of Jean McConville is the latest example of the highly selective nature of the prosecution process in Northern Ireland.
It seems the only alleged crimes being heavily pursued are those on the nationalist side, with little or no attention to atrocities on the other side.
Thanks to the ill-conceived Boston College oral history project the spooks now have another ream of tapes full of allegations from long ago that cannot possibly be proven, mostly from people who are now dead.
Take a bow BC, Ed Moloney and Anthony McIntyre – you have done a wonderful job on behalf of British spookdom allowing them to whip up a whole new round of empty charges.
Meanwhile, nothing on the nationalist side. The Pat Finucane murder? No action.
The Loughinisland Massacre during the 1994 World Cup game between Ireland and Italy? No action.
The Dublin/Monaghan bombings of 1974 that left 33 dead? No handover of papers from the British government as promised. Oops.
The top human rights attorney was killed, as were six innocent men, including an 87-year-old watching a football match, as were 33 innocent civilians in Dublin and Monaghan yet there has been no resolution whatever.
Talk about one law for the Brits.
ESPN2 aired an excellent program on the Loughinisland case this week called “Ceasefire Massacre.”
The documentary showed that the killings reek of high level British security involvement. Even former UVF figure Billy Hutchinson conceded on the program there was something very fishy.
But good luck if you are seeking a follow-up. So many of the killings during the dirty war were carried out by gunmen acting on the orders of high level secret British forces who covered their tracks well.
I could go on, but it is clear there is really only one target and that is the senior figures in Sinn Fein like Adams, who present such a threat to the established order that they will do anything to bring them down.
The anti-Sinn Feiners are running very scared at the moment. Recent opinion polls in the Irish Republic show the Sinn Fein vote soaring in the upcoming European elections.
In the north, with an increasing nationalist population, there is a decent chance soon of a Sinn Fein led Northern government.
What if they also come to power in the south?
No wonder the spooks are out in full flight.
Adams has little to fear. The tragic circumstances of Jean McConville's death are lost in the mist of time with witnesses long passed on.
Which is why this is such a cynical move at this time. There is zero chance of conviction but the real game is stopping Sinn Fein. They will stoop as low as they can in that regard.
EmanuelaOrlandi posted:i forgot about die gruppe. what a dope tag. i hope jack mcballs dick or whatever googles his own name sometime and finds us
Nice av, do you still keep up with the case
ilmdge posted:from the idsplacement of native catholics in northern ireland by british settlers i nthe 1600s, to the orange boys driving catholics out of armagh in the late 1700s, to the 'famine' of the 1800s (ie the genocide of irish peoples by the elite british landowning classes) to the small unionist minority in ulster asserting their right of 'self-determination' to override the island's right of self-determination in the 1900s... the history of ireland has been a history of englsih occupation and oppression for centuries.
geographically, even the small foothold the interlopers have claimed, the so-called 'northern ireland,' is majority nationalist/republican. the englsi hunionists won a majority of seats in 4 counties of 9 in ulster, and this ludicrous basis (a 4 county state?) was converted into the partition of eire, with the democratically elected isnn fein bieng banned, pogroms in northern ireland, and the bloody sunday massacre taking place along the way. chraast almighty sinn fein is even still winning pluralities in modewrn day northern ireland, can we get a united ireland already
Reading about Irish history opened my eyes to the brutality of Empre, and specifically the English one. I used to subscribe to the Sinn Fein newsletter and remember reading about judges in ireland giving information on suspected sinn fein members to english loyalists, who would then murder them in their homes or torture them to death. But noooo, none of that matters now, its time to bring up THIS ONE CASE and parade it around after sinn fein gave all the guns away. without sinn fein there would be no independent ireland, full stop.
To be honest some of the comments on here (like NI being mostly catholic/republican) aren't true. It's more complex, and people here on both sides have been shafted by the UK government and paramilitaries and politicians on both sides. A significant amount of the public, fed up with the troubles, are not interested in being part of the Republic or the UK, yet this has not coalesced into a separatist movement due to the history that approach has had.
The social unrest here began as more of a class issue, while it's true it was a majority of Catholics that were working class and had terrible working conditions etc... there were also a large amount of Protestants in the same boat, who participated in the protests that eventually culminated in Bloody Sunday etc. I suspect there was actually a strong push to secretly support reactionary and violent paramilitaries and politicians on the extreme of both sides in order to change the discourse and break the unity that was present at the beginning of class struggle here.
Don't forget that for years NI has been a testing ground for all kinds of experimental government policies related to counterintelligence, collusion, crowd control, etc. which have later been rolled out internationally.
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ilmdge posted:from the idsplacement of native catholics in northern ireland by british settlers i nthe 1600s, to the orange boys driving catholics out of armagh in the late 1700s, to the 'famine' of the 1800s (ie the genocide of irish peoples by the elite british landowning classes) to the small unionist minority in ulster asserting their right of 'self-determination' to override the island's right of self-determination in the 1900s... the history of ireland has been a history of englsih occupation and oppression for centuries.
geographically, even the small foothold the interlopers have claimed, the so-called 'northern ireland,' is majority nationalist/republican. the englsi hunionists won a majority of seats in 4 counties of 9 in ulster, and this ludicrous basis (a 4 county state?) was converted into the partition of eire, with the democratically elected isnn fein bieng banned, pogroms in northern ireland, and the bloody sunday massacre taking place along the way. chraast almighty sinn fein is even still winning pluralities in modewrn day northern ireland, can we get a united ireland already
having a hard time telling which words are misspelled and which are irish proper nouns
Gssh posted:To be honest some of the comments on here (like NI being mostly catholic/republican) aren't true. It's more complex, and people here on both sides have been shafted by the UK government and paramilitaries and politicians on both sides.
Thanks for your post, lots of good stuff. just wanted to clarify on this bit that i said 'geographically' ie the northern ireland borders are bigger than they needed to be, i dunno if that makes any difference in regard to what you went on to say, but i meant stuff like some of the info youd find here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repartition_of_Ireland
Gssh posted:A bit of local perspective... I live in NI and highly doubt they will officially charge Gerry Adams with anything. It would set the peace process back years if they did and cause some serious disruption in certain areas. It's coming up to elections here and is likely more of a strategical move on those grounds. I anticipate the PSNI will release a strongly worded statement saying they suspect his involvement but don't have enough evidence to formally convict him. Or at least I hope it's nothing more severe than that.
To be honest some of the comments on here (like NI being mostly catholic/republican) aren't true. It's more complex, and people here on both sides have been shafted by the UK government and paramilitaries and politicians on both sides. A significant amount of the public, fed up with the troubles, are not interested in being part of the Republic or the UK, yet this has not coalesced into a separatist movement due to the history that approach has had here.
The social unrest here began as more of a class issue, while it's true it was a majority of Catholics that were working class and had terrible working conditions etc... there were also a large amount of Protestants in the same boat, who participated in the protests that eventually culminated in Bloody Sunday etc. I suspect there was actually a strong push to secretly support reactionary and violent paramilitaries and politicians on the extreme of both sides in order to change the discourse and break the unity that was present at the beginning of class struggle here.
Don't forget that for years NI has been a testing ground for all kinds of experimental government policies related to counterintelligence, collusion, crowd control, etc. which have later been rolled out internationally.
thanks bono
Gssh posted:A bit of local perspective... I live in NI and highly doubt they will officially charge Gerry Adams with anything. It would set the peace process back years if they did and cause some serious disruption in certain areas. It's coming up to elections here and is likely more of a strategical move on those grounds. I anticipate the PSNI will release a strongly worded statement saying they suspect his involvement but don't have enough evidence to formally convict him. Or at least I hope it's nothing more severe than that.
To be honest some of the comments on here (like NI being mostly catholic/republican) aren't true. It's more complex, and people here on both sides have been shafted by the UK government and paramilitaries and politicians on both sides. A significant amount of the public, fed up with the troubles, are not interested in being part of the Republic or the UK, yet this has not coalesced into a separatist movement due to the history that approach has had here.
The social unrest here began as more of a class issue, while it's true it was a majority of Catholics that were working class and had terrible working conditions etc... there were also a large amount of Protestants in the same boat, who participated in the protests that eventually culminated in Bloody Sunday etc. I suspect there was actually a strong push to secretly support reactionary and violent paramilitaries and politicians on the extreme of both sides in order to change the discourse and break the unity that was present at the beginning of class struggle here.
Don't forget that for years NI has been a testing ground for all kinds of experimental government policies related to counterintelligence, collusion, crowd control, etc. which have later been rolled out internationally.
ever tried explaining unionist anti-english sentiment to an american?
jools posted:Gssh posted:A bit of local perspective... I live in NI and highly doubt they will officially charge Gerry Adams with anything. It would set the peace process back years if they did and cause some serious disruption in certain areas. It's coming up to elections here and is likely more of a strategical move on those grounds. I anticipate the PSNI will release a strongly worded statement saying they suspect his involvement but don't have enough evidence to formally convict him. Or at least I hope it's nothing more severe than that.
To be honest some of the comments on here (like NI being mostly catholic/republican) aren't true. It's more complex, and people here on both sides have been shafted by the UK government and paramilitaries and politicians on both sides. A significant amount of the public, fed up with the troubles, are not interested in being part of the Republic or the UK, yet this has not coalesced into a separatist movement due to the history that approach has had here.
The social unrest here began as more of a class issue, while it's true it was a majority of Catholics that were working class and had terrible working conditions etc... there were also a large amount of Protestants in the same boat, who participated in the protests that eventually culminated in Bloody Sunday etc. I suspect there was actually a strong push to secretly support reactionary and violent paramilitaries and politicians on the extreme of both sides in order to change the discourse and break the unity that was present at the beginning of class struggle here.
Don't forget that for years NI has been a testing ground for all kinds of experimental government policies related to counterintelligence, collusion, crowd control, etc. which have later been rolled out internationally.
ever tried explaining unionist anti-english sentiment to an american?
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Gssh posted:A bit of local perspective... I live in NI and highly doubt they will officially charge Gerry Adams with anything. It would set the peace process back years if they did and cause some serious disruption in certain areas. It's coming up to elections here and is likely more of a strategical move on those grounds. I anticipate the PSNI will release a strongly worded statement saying they suspect his involvement but don't have enough evidence to formally convict him. Or at least I hope it's nothing more severe than that.
To be honest some of the comments on here (like NI being mostly catholic/republican) aren't true. It's more complex, and people here on both sides have been shafted by the UK government and paramilitaries and politicians on both sides. A significant amount of the public, fed up with the troubles, are not interested in being part of the Republic or the UK, yet this has not coalesced into a separatist movement due to the history that approach has had here.
The social unrest here began as more of a class issue, while it's true it was a majority of Catholics that were working class and had terrible working conditions etc... there were also a large amount of Protestants in the same boat, who participated in the protests that eventually culminated in Bloody Sunday etc. I suspect there was actually a strong push to secretly support reactionary and violent paramilitaries and politicians on the extreme of both sides in order to change the discourse and break the unity that was present at the beginning of class struggle here.
Don't forget that for years NI has been a testing ground for all kinds of experimental government policies related to counterintelligence, collusion, crowd control, etc. which have later been rolled out internationally.
yeah the Catholic/Protestant divide sounds like the Palestinian Muslim/Jewish/Christian divide that is played up by the Israeli Eurosettlers. same thing for the testing ground stuff