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getfiscal posted:

this is my official position.


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my official position is summed up in my article in the newest issue of

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Mike Nelson here.
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is viewing sexual acts out of context ever not jarring. like if i was walking in a park and i saw some guy beating off on a park bench i'd probably mutter "jesus christ" to myself and be really weirded out. i don't need an MRI to know that. that doesn't mean that if patriarchy ends i won't have sex.
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i dont think the patriarchy has brought me personally any sex gf
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littlegreenpills posted:

i dont think the patriarchy has brought me personally any sex gf

i meant that i might choose to have sex once patriarchy ends. until then it's rape obviously. plus i mean any woman that would have sex with a man during patriarchy is basically a scab.

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discipline touched on this, but i think it's an extremely important point: a main function of neoliberal thought is to twist old radical narratives into a new one that places emphasis on individual empowerment while keeping the basic structure of oppression intact. the strip club changes from being a place of male dominance to one in which the stripper celebrates her femininity and womanhood... by dancing for men for money. the work place changes from a place where you give exploited labor for the profit of your boss to a family with bonding exercises organized by HR, a pinball machine in the rec room, beer in the fridge, and a gym downstairs. the pride parade becomes an accepted place to showcase different sexualities, all sponsored by corporate entities, would you like to hear about the great places you'll go with Google Local as you get your free HIV test?

beneficial reforms are able to keep the basic institutional exploitation alive and reframe it as something "empowering," free," or "liberating." it's simply sophisticated ideological newspeak.
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i know you wont answer this anytime soon due to travels, but id be curious to know your take on the Ukrainian sex strike against Russian men and whether it is powerful, frivolous, patriarchy co-opting feminism for it's own political agenda, or the media co-opting patriarchal sex obsession to generate revenue from a non-issue? i guess my question is which power involved stands the most to gain from a story like this, and whether the tactic can be effectively utilized or if it's always going to be a stunt rather than politically effective?

also feel free to say these questions are stupid
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deadken posted:

but does this mean that her enjoyment is invalidated, that it's somehow false or conditioned by patriarchy, and that she should give it up?

prefaced with the fact that Im A Man im gonna say absolutely yes to the first part and that I think its impossible to make a good argument to the contrary, and maybe to the second part. definitely give up anything that involves choking as it is not something somebody can ever reasonably consent to and is so goddamned dangerous that anybody who isn't a complete idiot would never in a million years do it to somebody whose well-being they gave the slightest shit about even if they begged them to
e: @ swampman parody post that doesn't really work bc nothing about heroin use is directly opposed to revolutionary theory praxis in the way that deadken's friend's personal sexual conduct is

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what if, like gunnery sgt hartman and pvt. pyle, one simply extends the hand upon which ones partner chokes zirself
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deadken posted:

i don't think there's any problem with men choking women in the context of an equal relationship as long as they've talked it over beforehand and agreed on limits and safewords and so on no

there is a problem with it because there's absolutely no way to know that you're not causing subtle neurological damage that won't manifest for another thirty years when your partner is disabled by dyskinesia and perpetually covered in drool

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chickeon posted:

there is a problem with it because there's absolutely no way to know that you're not causing subtle neurological damage that won't manifest for another thirty years when your partner is disabled by dyskinesia and perpetually covered in drool



people do things that are bad for them in the long term because they feel good at the time, is what I've heard through the grapevine

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believing that makes it okay is liberalism most foul. also this is so far above and beyond basically anything else people do that is "bad" for them but feels good in the short term. the only thing I can think of similar at all is Huffing which is more extreme just another form of voluntarily inducing brain damage, comrades don't let comrades huff, choke or be choked
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smoking too. i srsly hope communism will ban tobacco
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getfiscal posted:

littlegreenpills posted:

i dont think the patriarchy has brought me personally any sex gf

i meant that i might choose to have sex once patriarchy ends. until then it's rape obviously. plus i mean any woman that would have sex with a man during patriarchy is basically a scab.



its a bit unrealistic to expect to be able to end patriarchy everywhere all at once instead of improving your position and consolidating your gains. end patriarchy in one lady and then have sex with her imo

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Is it safe to assume rhizzone supports Cameron's porn ban?
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Kurdt
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the rhizzone officially believes all speech should be banned in the UK
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chickeon posted:

believing that makes it okay is liberalism most foul. also this is so far above and beyond basically anything else people do that is "bad" for them but feels good in the short term. the only thing I can think of similar at all is Huffing which is more extreme just another form of voluntarily inducing brain damage, comrades don't let comrades huff, choke or be choked



I'm not saying it's okay. I am just not sure that "it might give you brain damage" is the compelling argument here. Even if it didn't it would be concerning because of the way sexual relations are constructed, like calling a woman gross names while you're having sex doesn't maybe cause brain damage but who cares it's still fucked up.

"Pleasure" poses tricky problems for political theory.

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It is also violent degenerate behaviour produced and allowed by internalizing domination and the hatred of self and others, completely indefensible without reference to liberal permissiveness or imperial/fascist ideology. Should we ever move beyond patriarchy it will naturally be frowned upon and tacitly forbidden. e: like eating turds
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..but I eat pieces of shit for breakfast... :tongue:
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chickeon posted:

Should we ever move beyond patriarchy it will naturally be frowned upon and tacitly forbidden


do you mean this as a prediction or an indication?

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worthless posted:

..but I eat pieces of shit for breakfast... :tongue:



thank you for outing yourself as a scat fetishist. you will be recruited in me+conecs drive to cause revulsion in pornlovers by spamming xtube with literal shit, I'll pm you

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Mike Nelson here.
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"Puritanism: the haunting fear that someone, somewhere is having a good time."

Hell, just something to think about....
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i thought it was clear that leftism is a religion. "the revolution will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and it's kingdom shall have no end"
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For those who say we should ban porn because it promotes violence against women, couldn't the same could be said about rap music? And since a lot of it involves lyrics about "Pimpin", "Bitches" and "Hoes" it also glorifies female sexual subjugation.
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Mike Nelson here.
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MadMedico posted:

For those who say we should ban porn because it promotes violence against women, couldn't the same could be said about rap music? And since a lot of it involves lyrics about "Pimpin", "Bitches" and "Hoes" it also glorifies female sexual subjugation.

I know you're trying to be clever but since the introduction of contemporary rap music there has been a dramatic and sustained reduction in violent crime rates in the US. It's probable the two are connected, and that the drop caused by rap music would have been more dramatic if not for the increase in violence caused by pornography.

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you can be tolerant and accepting after the revolution conec
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Makes u think
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libelous_slander posted:

i know you wont answer this anytime soon due to travels, but id be curious to know your take on the Ukrainian sex strike against Russian men and whether it is powerful, frivolous, patriarchy co-opting feminism for it's own political agenda, or the media co-opting patriarchal sex obsession to generate revenue from a non-issue? i guess my question is which power involved stands the most to gain from a story like this, and whether the tactic can be effectively utilized or if it's always going to be a stunt rather than politically effective?

also feel free to say these questions are stupid



Damn this thread REALLY makes u tHINK

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Damn makes u think. What about free dom of speech? Damn makes u think about it
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yeah
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by the time anyone will do anything about it, it wont matter anyway
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*becomes a rhinoceros*
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roseweird posted:

MadMedico posted:

For those who say we should ban porn because it promotes violence against women, couldn't the same could be said about rap music? And since a lot of it involves lyrics about "Pimpin", "Bitches" and "Hoes" it also glorifies female sexual subjugation.

maybe violently misogynist pornography and violently misogynist rap are both artifacts of human desperation and agony



maybe they are products of material processes of global accumulation

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c_man posted:

by the time anyone will do anything about it, it wont matter anyway



oh good we have a libertarian socialist. gee whiz let communism win in the market of ideas