Lysenko posted:getfiscal posted:some of you may be interested in this http://kersplebedeb.com/posts/east-coast-raf-2014/
i'm going to the one in baltimore. gimme some good questions to ask
1. Your volumes are called a "Documentary History." Is documenting history the only objective, or do you hope to stimulate debate about contemporary armed resistance / the "urban guerilla" in the first world?
2. In your view, how much of the RAF's longevity and relative success was made possible through covert financial and logistical support from sympathetic nation-states (eastern bloc, etc)? If this was a significant factor, what lessons can contemporary revolutionaries learn from the RAF about successfully establishing relationships with foreign powers?
gyrofry posted:Lysenko posted:getfiscal posted:some of you may be interested in this http://kersplebedeb.com/posts/east-coast-raf-2014/
1. Your volumes are called a "Documentary History." Is documenting history the only objective, or do you hope to stimulate debate about contemporary armed resistance / the "urban guerilla" in the first world?
The stated immediate program of the organization, as revealed by Véronique, is first to close down the University through methods of violence. Véronique is on the train talking to French political philosopher Francis Jeanson (played by the real life Francis Jeanson). In the conversation that ensues, Jeanson acts as the voice of reason in the film. He criticizes her aspirations to act individually, in acts of violence divorced from the masses of working people. She tries to defend her positions by pointing to similar actions and positions by Jeanson in the past during the struggle for Algerian independence, but Jeanson points out that they were successful in these endeavors only because they had built a base among the population at large. The scene ends with Jeanson’s judgment that Véronique’s approach is “a path that leads absolutely nowhere.”
getfiscal posted:some of you may be interested in this http://kersplebedeb.com/posts/east-coast-raf-2014/
sweet, so they're getting back together and doing the east coast?
the train sequence made me think the professor was stupid. in any case, he was proven wrong by events. it was the extreme left shutting down the universities a year later that sparked a general strike. the 'adventurist' youth won the support of millions of workers. this caused a general crisis in society which required a raft of concessions and brutality just to keep things bottled.
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the first thing about the review is that it focuses on the "immaturity" of the cell. the movie is loosely based on the scenario of dostoyevsky's devils (the novel is about a young revolutionary cell in russia). i don't think there's anything particularly interesting about immaturity and it doesn't take much thought to portray it. i read a somewhat bad introductory essay to 'devils' which made me put off reading it so far but they had said that dostoyevsky wanted to show the struggles involved in being "captured by an idea", both in terms of the individual psychology and as a spirit of the age. i think this focus on belief is much more relevant to la chinoise than immaturity. the film came out in 1967, the cultural revolution had only recently started and the maoist current in france had only just emerged. it was a "new idea". i didn't get "the youth are stupid" from the film so much as "the absurd conventions of our society open the possibility for its rejection through chaotic and transformative belief", which is sort of a radical response to dostoyevesky.
anyway i think it's useful to look at the hoxhaists in france today to get a sense of the alternative politics proposed. the hoxhaists are mainly grouped into the PCOF, which is part of the front de gauche (grouping of the communist party, left party and a few minor parties). it calls for a "revolutionary popular front", but this is sort of silly. the front de gauche is not a revolutionary group and holds typical left-social-democratic positions that the left of the socialist party have held for decades. they are subordinating themselves to a true believer of mitterrand. so what they are proposing, in reality, is a zombified form of the old PCF, they don't really offer an alternative to direct action but parliamentary politics and reformism in practice.
i don't really care what godard's specific political message was, i guess, but i think lenin's discussions of terrorism seem relevant. lenin always emphasized that attacks against the tsarist regime were heroic. he also applauded spontaneous actions by workers against their bosses and officials. but he fiercely attacked uncoordinated action at the level of strategic theory. that is, it was good when the regime suffered losses and humiliations through assassinations, but communists should not organize themselves on that basis. in fact, when petty-bourgeois students and such do "crazy" things in the cause of justice, it's not to be condemned or insulted, it's just that they can't win that way alone.
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gyrofry posted:what are youu reading
a computer repair manual, obv
tpaine posted:
damn, even B&J are getting in on the Sochi gay hate train
i was talking to a cutie after a meeting a couple weeks ago and they were genuinely confused that i was a communist but hadn't seen la chinoise. it is inconceivable that someone could have a belief that isn't founded in consumption of pop culture
shriekingviolet posted:it is inconceivable that someone could have a belief that isn't founded in consumption of pop culture
as an althusserian i agree.
shriekingviolet posted:it is inconceivable that someone could have a belief that isn't founded in consumption of pop culture
i think its good to ignore pop culture, an unpopular opinion, i know
- not marxist
- consistently erases class
Lysenko posted:getfiscal posted:some of you may be interested in this http://kersplebedeb.com/posts/east-coast-raf-2014/
i'm going to the one in baltimore. gimme some good questions to ask
red emma's is a special place. i volunteered a very lil bit at the boston location for this and it was quite depressing in comparison
ilmdge posted:you could also watch la chinoise after you decide you're communist because it's in your sphere of interests
as a Communist, the perimeter of the volume of the realm of my interests resembles not the decadent, directionally and morally relativistic non-oriented surfacism of a sphere, but a 3-dimensional topological rendering of the borders and landmass of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics of 1956
postposting posted:can reactionary expressions of popular dissent be channeled into revolutionary causes?
i'll allow it
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