mindmaster

54dfgdfg

mindmaster

54dfgadfgdfgdfgfdgdg

Lessons posted:

Zizek just bullshit his way through everything with misdirection, equivocation and outright nonsense and doesn't help you understand Marx or anything else for that matter. If you really want help with understanding Marx there are waaay better resources like David Harvey's lectures/companion books, Fine and Saad-Filho's introduction, one of the preliminary text from Marx which were written specifically to be easily understandable to workers, or any of the numerous works from the past 150 years written to make Marxism more accessible. If you honestly believe listening to Zizek lisp and spit made you understand Marx you've either just gotten used to nodding along and not really understanding what you're hearing or The Power Was Inside You All Along.

i don't know if you're right about that. i did watch the david harvey lectures some years ago but still they were pretty difficult for my then-scattered and confused wikimind. im not even talking about workers here after all, im talking about people who were forcefed sofia coppola movies and mario games for most of their 20something life and try to reach at least some sort of escape from that. these people are still subjects (or more accurately non-subjects) of oppression and routine humiliations, but it's a very warped, textural sort of oppression that's hard to detect without specific knowledge of how ideology operates beyond the terms and context which marx himself uses. there are no visible bosses, just abstract debt, rent and things which arrive through email and are reinforced through the subtleties of culture, through the shapes of buildings and the soothing fake hopes of ingenuine science fiction, tech blogs, bad stand up comedians and south park. when you, as such a person, finally understand how this works you can take the next step to actually rejecting it and becoming something different.

this stuff can still be explained in conventional marxist terms, but it takes a lot of transposing and i think zizek does do that very well, besides the fact that i think some of the things he says are not simply bullshit and are actually true.

MindMaster posted:

Lessons posted:

Zizek just bullshit his way through everything with misdirection, equivocation and outright nonsense and doesn't help you understand Marx or anything else for that matter. If you really want help with understanding Marx there are waaay better resources like David Harvey's lectures/companion books, Fine and Saad-Filho's introduction, one of the preliminary text from Marx which were written specifically to be easily understandable to workers, or any of the numerous works from the past 150 years written to make Marxism more accessible. If you honestly believe listening to Zizek lisp and spit made you understand Marx you've either just gotten used to nodding along and not really understanding what you're hearing or The Power Was Inside You All Along.

i don't know if you're right about that. i did watch the david harvey lectures some years ago but still they were pretty difficult for my then-scattered and confused wikimind. im not even talking about workers here after all, im talking about people who were forcefed sofia coppola movies and mario games for most of their 20something life and try to reach at least some sort of escape from that. these people are still subjects (or more accurately non-subjects) of oppression and routine humiliations, but it's a very warped, textural sort of oppression that's hard to detect without specific knowledge of how ideology operates beyond the terms and context which marx himself uses. there are no visible bosses, just abstract debt, rent and things which arrive through email and are reinforced through the subtleties of culture, through the shapes of buildings and the soothing fake hopes of ingenuine science fiction, tech blogs, bad stand up comedians and south park. when you, as such a person, finally understand how this works you can take the next step to actually rejecting it and becoming something different.

this stuff can still be explained in conventional marxist terms, but it takes a lot of transposing and i think zizek does do that very well, besides the fact that i think some of the things he says are not simply bullshit and are actually true.

So you're telling me he's good because he caters to your middle-class neuroses and utter unwillingness to do anything at all, let alone anything challenging?

tpaine posted:

oh yeah, i was making fun of that stupid gang tag shit on sa too but why? why would i care enough about it to lampoon it on a site that isn't even connected to it? lesions, can you explain this to me?

Because krews are a meme now