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shriekingviolet posted:

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shriekingviolet posted:

also i think i liked his work on the jew as an empty signifier but if anyone challenges me on that i'll have to actually read it again so please don't.



haha uh i'm a little curious about this

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I last thought about zizek on the jew as empty signifier in a conversation with a friend about interrogating the holocaust from the direction of gender as an alternative perspective to framing everything in terms of antisemitism, in this mode the jew is an empty signifier that serves as the unifying link in pursuing genocide against queers/roma/bolsheviks/disability etc as the nazi discourse ties them to an essential (nonexistent) jewishness. zizek's take on it links back to predictably lacanian structures.

there are some really cool jewish and queer theorists who have also done work on this, and you should probably read them instead. the name escapes me but there's this one really rad woman and I should probably read more of her. i'm having beers w/ that same friend tonight, i'll ask her and maybe bring some namedrops back to you?



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shriekingviolet posted:

I last thought about zizek on the jew as empty signifier in a conversation with a friend about interrogating the holocaust from the direction of gender as an alternative perspective to framing everything in terms of antisemitism, in this mode the jew is an empty signifier that serves as the unifying link in pursuing genocide against queers/roma/bolsheviks/disability etc as the nazi discourse ties them to an essential (nonexistent) jewishness.

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wow, how uncultured. someone get IWC here so he can appreciate my reference to Australian children television shows



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shriekingviolet posted:

i actually have read a fair amount of zizek, and the problem is that he genuinely advocates for lazy intellectual quietude accelerationism, there is no such thing as a zizekian revolutionary praxis except perhaps for the armchair activism embodied by leftist internet forums. shun anything that tries to give even a shred of credibility to that kind of attitude. also some of his books are shameless coffee table tripe, like living in the end times. it was garbage.

that aside zizek can be fun to read, i do find him entertaining and that is his primary value. treat zizek like fiction. also i think i liked his work on the jew as an empty signifier but if anyone challenges me on that i'll have to actually read it again so please don't.



alright well its true that hes too vague about actually doing anything, and yeah living in the end times is definitely his worst book, but i think his value is primarily in understanding things. i don't think i would have understood ideology at all without zizek (which is also just because im basically a dumb bourgeois with no access to ideas like that unless theyre served to me in a particular way). for instance he does this pretty great analysis of postmodern architecture - where i live is full of nothing but postmodern architecture - and how it functions as a means of manipulating our dreams and perception of reality, and how that ultimately originates from poststructuralist thought, from something that was supposed to free us but failed.

he's not really useful if you want to know how to actually resist in any way (i think that's basically because there just isn't an answer to the question of praxis except "just do it" or "find other leftists, join them and fight", and those simple answers are not satisfying to him), but at least he lets you see in what ways you are being manipulated, and for a lot of people that's an important first step to resisting. for a lot of ex-liberals it's very hard to see and accept the existence of those structures and the way he serves it up makes it palatable to them.

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He's a bad influence because people are too ignorant to not take him seriously



so this is the point i think, if you are just an average dumbshit there isn't really much to tie you into any kind of leftist thought at all (for most middle class, dumb people, reading marx directly with no introduction just makes it sound like gibberish). zizek at least is an easy access point, and though you need to eventually start seeing his own limitations it would be worse if ignorant people didnt take him seriously and just went on being liberals or commonsense you need that kind of introduction that somehow ties it into your own life first, and even if it's not the real thing it's not valueless. this sounds like a pretty cheap way to argue it to myself but i think its true nonetheless

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Zizek just bullshit his way through everything with misdirection, equivocation and outright nonsense and doesn't help you understand Marx or anything else for that matter. If you really want help with understanding Marx there are waaay better resources like David Harvey's lectures/companion books, Fine and Saad-Filho's introduction, one of the preliminary text from Marx which were written specifically to be easily understandable to workers, or any of the numerous works from the past 150 years written to make Marxism more accessible. If you honestly believe listening to Zizek lisp and spit made you understand Marx you've either just gotten used to nodding along and not really understanding what you're hearing or The Power Was Inside You All Along.
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