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pun pun
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babyhueypnewton posted:

Mindmaster full commitment to communism should bring you great joy, especially in today's valueless post-modern condition of constant boredom. If you don't feel that you probably have some vestiges of trotskyism holding you back. You should fight them imo



i can only reply in silence because saying anything to what you say (which i know to be true) is always already some kind of qualifier for why i dont act on it

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sippin on my Stalin Artois
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*cough
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Hi baby huey, where would you prefer for a prospective revolutionary to acquire skills in organizing, logistics, leadership, and the formation of policy in the absence of a sufficiently Orthodox Maoist Perfect Unity. Or is your position that one should just sit on their ass and rot without developing any skills rather than render themselves spiritually unclean by being in the same room with a liberal? Radical activity requires real actual skills and they don't spontaneously emerge out of the aether, being a revolutionary requires training and discipline. Any serious proponent of Maoist strategy would recognize the value of acquiring valuable experience where it is available without fearing that they will be led astray by their liberal peers.

Many things may become baggage, may become encumbrances if we cling to them blindly and uncriticaliy. Let us take some illustrations. Having made mistakes, you may feel that, come what may, you are saddled with them and so become dispirited; if you have not made mistakes, you may feel that you are free from error and so become conceited. Lack of achievement in work may breed pessimism and depression, while achievement may breed pride and arrogance. A comrade with a short record of struggle may shirk responsibility on this account, while a veteran may become opinionated because of his long record of struggle. Worker and peasant comrades, because of pride in their class origin, may look down upon intellectuals, while intellectuals, because they have a certain amount of knowledge, may look down upon worker and peasant comrades. Any specialized skill may be capitalized on and so may lead to arrogance and contempt of others. Even one's age may become ground for conceit. The young, because they are bright and capable, may look down upon the old; and the old, because they are rich in experience, may look down upon the young. All such things become encumbrances or baggage if there is no critical awareness.
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Some comrades in the army have become arrogant and high-handed in their behaviour towards the soldiers, the people, the government and the Party, always blaming the comrades doing local work but never themselyes, always seeing their own achievements but never their own shortcomings, and always welcoming flattery but never criticism… the army must endeavour to eradicate these faults.
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Our enemies are all those in league with imperialism - the warlords, the bureaucrats, the comprador class, the big Landlord class and the teactionary section of the intelligentsia attached to them. The leading force in our revolution is the industrial proletariat. Our closest friends are the entire semi-proletariat and petty bourgeoisie. As for the vacillating middle bourgeoisie, their right-wing may become our enemy and their left-wing may become our friend - but we must be constantly on our guard and not let them create confusion within our ranks.
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Whoever sides with the revolutionary people is a revolutionary. Whoever sides with
imperialism, feudalism and bureaucrat-capitalism is a counter-revolutionary. Whoever sides with the revolutionary people in words only but acts otherwise is a revolutionary in speech. Whoever sides with the revolutionary people in deed as well as in word is a revolutionary in the full sense.
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We should support whatever the enemy opposes and oppose whatever the enemy supports.
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Both dogmatism and revisionism run counter to Marxism. Marxism must certainly advance; it must develop along with the development of practice and cannot stand still. It would become lifeless if it remained stagnant and stereotyped. However, the basic principles of Marxism must never be violated, or otherwise mistakes will be made. It is dogmatism to approach Marxism from a metaphysical point of view and to regard it as something rigid. It is revisionism to negate the basic principles of Marxism and to negate its universal truth.



I could do this all night but I have to prepare for a skill sharing meeting with comrades. I invite you to demonstrate how I have negated the basic principles of Marxism by gathering the support of allies, converting passive sympathies into active support and endorsement of the Marxist position through education and action, and advocating for the development of practical skills. Your knowledge of Mao is weak, your revolutionary praxis is self-important and divisive, and your organizational strategy amounts to "overextend yourself, burn out and become useless immediately, for coolness points." Go outside, nerd.

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i had a 'skill-sharing session' with this forum's collective mum last night
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on e of the problems with current leftism i think is the cultural turn advocated by zizek (whom i otherwise like) which suggests that we can basically think our way out of problems, that we can affect things or ourselves by realizing the hidden revolutionary message in some movie or the Profoundness of Anime - worthy a cause that may nevertheless be - or something. it feels comfortable to sit at a computer or book and think yourself into a serious leftist but i feel it just doesnt work that way. some chinese philosopher cited by mishima (whose name i forgot and cant find now, ack) said that knowledge which you dont act on isnt true knowledge, but of course actions without knowledge arent true actions either, whenever the question of "action" vs. "thought" and which one deserves preference - or whether it should be local, small actions or thoughts or big, grand narratives - comes up, it always feels like a way to postpone both, to defer them to some abstract generality so you dont have to do either yourself. the fear of being subject to the denkverbot of our times, or of being atomized into "local" action can prevent us from taking action - sometimes even local action - that is ultimately required to actually effect communism, and can in itself function as a barrier.

like with kissing a sweet girl or some stupid self help book about getting beefy you have to Just Do It and the way forward isnt to think about past failures, current problems, or how to arrive at some great, next, transpostmodernist movement for mankind that will somehow cause a surge in global leftism and the overthrow of all that we hate, rather we should probably just try to connect somehow to other leftists in a way that is meaningful beyond a virtual or inward context, maybe even found a new Party, maybe even call it The Communist Party (since no parties in the west seem to bear that name anymore anyway) and advocate at least a minimum of traditional leftist causes: a stronger state for the people, ending the power of the ruling class over everything, from everyone according to their ability to everyone according to their need, and so on. this stuff isnt even that difficult, it doesnt require profound thought or great understanding, just a simple combination of perception, strategy and a bit of dogma, combined with the effort of willing people according to their abilities. except for syriza in greece, why are there no large leftist parties simply filling the void on the left during the time of a new depression? im not saying we should stop thinking and fall into the postmodern trap again, just that we should stop thinking too meticulously about how to take action, or be afraid that our actions will somehow compromise our thought by being always too limited.

obviously im mostly addressing myself here because im like this, and a coward, but maybe its true in general..
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MindMaster posted:

zizek (whom i otherwise like)


*barfs*

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dont slander my bro zizek, i sell him coke, i got his back & he's paying my rent and sending my kids through college
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I Like Zizek Except For Some Things
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I highly resonate with shriekingviolet's post. I believe that learning important, relevant skill sets is and sharing them with other like minded people who largely submit to Marxist theory is a really good idea.

It begins to put the labor force in the hands of certain like-minded people who convey their knowledge to others in a way that fits into the context of the whole world. It puts power, and agency back into the hands of those who choose to participate.

Why is being able to make preserve your own food important? Why is being able to set up plumbing systems, electrical, and sewage systems important? Why is knowing how to fix a car or an even larger array of machinery important? How does this all fit into the world and how it works and how it may work in the future when really bad things happen?

A skilled population is a resilient population. At least that's what I believe.
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really enjoyign the bbc right now, just heard a correspondent wading through the revanchists in Kiev and asking them if they "think Ukraine now needs a leader who will unite the country", when did these guys lose the african-hectoring imperialism we all knew and respected

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good to know i'm not the only person into, and honestly a little obsessed with, Big Beautiful Charizards
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mustang

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#103

Panopticon posted:

MindMaster posted:

zizek (whom i otherwise like)

*barfs*



would it be too much to ask to make this a bit more explicit? i noticed a lot of people here dont like zizek, but i dont really know what the reason is. ive read criticisms of zizek but usually they amount to characterizations and shallow stuff like this, which never really directly engage what he says beyond stupid guardian articles: http://www.yasminnair.net/content/everything-you-always-wanted-know-about-%C5%BEi%C5%BEek-you-learnt-it-grad-school

i love zizek because he offers the only way out of poststructuralism that i can see, except for some kind of bourdieuan or chomskist empiricist marxism. the way i see it theres the boring "public zizek" of the guardian articles, the repeated jokes from the lectures, hamfisted interventions, and self-admitted bullshit about biotechnology and quantum physics, and then theres the zizek of articles like this, who i found really really helpful in so many ways: http://www.lacan.com/article/?page_id=78

but mostly i just really share his hatred, which i think is ultimately more intuitive than intellectual, for the veneration of small narratives, of little stupid stories and little acts, for fake respect, for the sadomasochistic hedonism of polyamory and the general decay of meaning in the interest of the oppressors. this part of him, at least, is very clear and makes complete sense to me, so id like to hear why exactly others dont like him, since it rarely goes beyond just plain dismissal or vagueness.

help a dumbass out

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heidegger was a legit nazi and is totally cool but zizek is a fat goon with no social skills who ran for public office as a liberal democrat and for that he will never be forgiven
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is there still a vichy lf
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c_man posted:

heidegger was a legit nazi and is totally cool but zizek is a fat goon with no social skills who ran for public office as a liberal democrat and for that he will never be forgiven



i dunno man, i mean this just doesn't convince me i guess....

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it shouldnt, imo, but its one of the main reasons people dont like him. that and the casual racism/sexism.
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all getfiscal has to do is run for political office in canada as a lib dem and his transformation will be complete
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MindMaster posted:

would it be too much to ask to make this a bit more explicit? i noticed a lot of people here dont like zizek, but i dont really know what the reason is. ive read criticisms of zizek but usually they amount to characterizations and shallow stuff like this, which never really directly engage what he says beyond stupid guardian articles: http://www.yasminnair.net/content/everything-you-always-wanted-know-about-%C5%BEi%C5%BEek-you-learnt-it-grad-school

i love zizek because he offers the only way out of poststructuralism that i can see, except for some kind of bourdieuan or chomskist empiricist marxism. the way i see it theres the boring "public zizek" of the guardian articles, the repeated jokes from the lectures, hamfisted interventions, and self-admitted bullshit about biotechnology and quantum physics, and then theres the zizek of articles like this, who i found really really helpful in so many ways: http://www.lacan.com/article/?page_id=78

but mostly i just really share his hatred, which i think is ultimately more intuitive than intellectual, for the veneration of small narratives, of little stupid stories and little acts, for fake respect, for the sadomasochistic hedonism of polyamory and the general decay of meaning in the interest of the oppressors. this part of him, at least, is very clear and makes complete sense to me, so id like to hear why exactly others dont like him, since it rarely goes beyond just plain dismissal or vagueness.

help a dumbass out



i base most of my dislike for him on what others have said because i too am a dumbass. basically the criticisms i see of him are that in the realm of philosophy he mostly plays word games rather than trying to find any kind of truth in the world, and outside philosophy he doesn't actually do positive leftist activism. the little i've read by him doesn't seem to discount these criticisms so i take them to be true.

it's interesting that you point to chomsky as an alternative to zizek because for all chomsky's faults he at least does things in the real world

your lacan.com link isn't working but the archive.org mirror of it doesn't seem to help your case, he opens his article with something about an obscure catholic author (so i skipped ahead, i don't see how this is relevant to anything) and ends it with literal reams of gibberish. i'm glad you found something useful in between but i'll stick to chomsky thanks

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Panopticon posted:

obscure catholic author


lol james joyce = obscure catholic author

and the "gibberish" is a monologue by samuel beckett

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*opens chinese book* man this is all just some bullshit little drawings or some shit, i'll stick to chomsky, thanks
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you mean zizek was playing word games again? wow how novel of him!
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lol
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One can understand James Joyce, with all the obscenities that permeate his writings, as the ultimate Catholic author


he literally says "james joyce", and then discusses the relationship between joyce and beckett, and then has a text by beckett, which he discusses in the article, at the end of the article. its pretty straightforward literary analysis. its not especially a political piece.

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james joyce? beckett? are these irish drunks suppose to mean anything to me? sorry kid.
#117
get with the times fucker, its 2014, now everything that was good is now bad and everything that was bad is now good, this is how it is and will be again
#118
im too poor to pay attention to your shit dead authors. does having worms eat your decomposing corpse imbue your writing with special value?
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