deadken posted:

deleuze is fun as hell wot u on

i guess he might be more fun if i was reading him for fun rather than out of immediate necessity but right now it just frustrates me

elektrenai posted:

redken I immediately thought of your 'reptilian alien awkwardly stuffed into human form' description when I saw this http://i.imgur.com/1UnjPZD.jpg

life: a user's manual-
a document rigorously constructed upon sometimes opaque internal mechanisms, often consisting of page upon page of itemised list or description of interior decoration, that manages to be personal and plaintive and funny and wry instead of just an exercise in formalism.

tea: a user's manual-
shit from a tard, why would he even title it that, god he looks like bat boy gave birth to a giant thumb, he looks like he talks like his breath smells, the fact that the word sexually is present in that article and was written by that monstrosity makes me feel impotent

TG posted:

deadken posted:

deleuze is better than sex

maybe you should try discussing deleuze with your female friends in an attempt to find love

if you think this is a different thing you're not on the plane of immanence

When the historian Pierre Nora, a former college friend, published his Les Français d’Algérie in March 1961 in the lead up to the referendum on Algerian independence and the last attempts by the military leadership in Algiers to frustrate it, Derrida wrote a long letter in response that, Peeters says, “set out his convictions regarding the situation in Algeria in a way that he had never done before and that he would never do again.”

According to Peeters, some of Derrida’s reservations had to do with Nora’s blaming of the French Algerians for their present situation, while others had to do with Nora’s analysis of the colonial system in Algeria. Regarding the former, in his letter Derrida says that while the “massive responsibility” of the colonists “could neither be denied nor diluted…, if, as you say, the French Algerians have been the ‘makers’ of their history and of their distress, this is only true if at the same time one adds that all the governments and the army as a whole (meaning the French people on whose behalf they have acted) have always been their masters.”

Regarding the latter, Derrida argues with Nora’s characterisation of the French Algerians as personally benefiting from the colonial system, and by extension he argues with what he implies is Nora’s “dogmatic Marxist” view of the essentially exploitative character of French colonialism. “You have written a remarkable book, one of the best that I have ever read on what might be called the ‘French population of Algeria,’” Derrida writes, but one question that is never clearly answered is “who exactly you are writing about.”

Nora, Derrida implies, has reinforced a stereotype of wealthy colonisers exploiting a colonised population. “But why not make it clear – which would have been fairer – that the average income of the French Algerians is less than that of the French of France,” he asks. Moreover, in a long footnote to the main text liberally sprinkled with italics Derrida asks whether “the notion of the ‘colonial system’ can always and essentially be understood in terms of the idea of profit alone, whether in the short or long term…. Even if one wanted to make profit the essential and exclusive motive behind the colonial enterprise, this notion (of profit) is quite a complex, if not a contradictory, one.”

In his book, Nora had written that the colonial system in Algeria, like European colonialism elsewhere, was based on the dispossession of the original population and a racial hierarchy that installed the European colonisers above it. While not exactly contesting this characterisation of the way the system worked, or the fact that at base it was fundamentally a matter of economic exploitation, Derrida seems to want to introduce the idea that French colonialism had also benefited Algeria, even saying that the introduction of “education and other forms of generosity of the same kind can sometimes be explained as part of a logic and not of a incoherence in the search for profit.”

And the most important part:

This concern for “complexity”, Peeters writes, or at least the idea that things were not as black and white as they could be made to appear, characterised Derrida’s attitude towards the Algerian war. He was also concerned by the implications of the victory of the FLN, since this independence movement, wedded to an Arab and Muslim conception of Algerian identity, was in his view unlikely to be sympathetic to minority rights and particularly not to the rights of those who, rightly or wrongly, were associated with French colonialism.

Take that and generalize it to the whole philosophy of 'deconstruction' and you start to reorient post-modernism into the material world.

deadken posted:

MindMaster posted:

deadken posted:

deleuze is fun as hell wot u on

i guess he might be more fun if i was reading him for fun rather than out of immediate necessity but right now it just frustrates me



ehh i had to read a lot of deleuze for my dissertation; i guess it takes time to acclimatise yourself to the style & the refusal to adopt stable signifiers etc etc but it also means you're free to adopt his terms + ideas and use them however you want to approach a whole bunch of stuff in different ways. deleuze doesn't really want to be understood, understanding it isn't the point, the point is to utilise it. whether it's 'good philosophy' is of course something that can be contested but once you've got the hang of it it's fun as hell imo

yeah this. it's pretty hard to grasp any croncrete proposals or solutions but the stuff about the War Machine and Rhizzone's themselves worked for me in helping to foster the ability to draw parallels between disparate phenomenon

palafox posted:

elektrenai posted:

redken I immediately thought of your 'reptilian alien awkwardly stuffed into human form' description when I saw this http://i.imgur.com/1UnjPZD.jpg



life: a user's manual-
a document rigorously constructed upon sometimes opaque internal mechanisms, often consisting of page upon page of itemised list or description of interior decoration, that manages to be personal and plaintive and funny and wry instead of just an exercise in formalism.

my missus just lent me this and it's pretty great: deeply intropective without being particularly neurotic, a very human book. Also she told me that Perec used to go hang out in all the trendy left-bank intellectual establishments but instead of schmoozing or boasting would play pinball for hours upon hours and i just think that's swell

THE erotic fantasies of a middle-aged woman from west London dominated book sales in Australia in 2012 and cast a grey - or should that be pink? - tint over bookshops around the country.

E.L. James' Fifty Shades of Grey trilogy, which includes Fifty Shades Darker and Fifty Shades Freed, sold almost 3 million copies.

that's a copy for 1 in every 3 adult women in this country