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discipline posted:

gyrofry posted:

did you learn any skills that would be applicable in organizing revolutionary cells

speaking persuasively is a pretty good skill to have. getting people to do things for you is also a good skill. however, as you build these skills it is necessary for you to get the chain jerked a bit each time because you can't get too big. I can honestly say I've seen a lot and done a lot and made some mistakes in my life but this experience did more to damage my self-esteem, which is already pretty low, than pretty much anything else I've ever done



damn, where can i sign up?

#42
that owns, tbh I'm really disconnected from academic circles these days but I will stay alert. you have a masters i think i read somewhere?
#43
what did you find to be easier, buying a degree or working in the REAL WORLD
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#45
thanks for putting the 'u' in labour
#46

roseweird posted:

Lykourgos posted:

no, no, and "organizing department" as your duties and responsibilities? if you're not going to answer properly then this ask thread should be closed by the mods

surely you know what an admin job is ?? you are familiar with at the very least legal assistants and secretaries? i've had jobs whose duties i'd casually describe as "organizing department", especially if the place is understaffed they are usually a lot of work because you end up doing parts of every one else's jobs along with submitting department budgets, organizing schedules, maintaining supplies, dealing with calls visitors and deliveries, plus carrying out a number of routine tasks whose nature depends on what kind of department one is organizing. the only reason you have a department to work in is because of people whose job duties are "organizing the department". so please behave yourself. a gentleman of quality would not be so aggressive in his questioning about such matters. save it for destroying lives daily in the courtroom, prosecutor



im awesome at this shit and i should probably be the first against the wall. in another era, i would have been an efficiency expert. kill me

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roseweird posted:

Lykourgos posted:

no, no, and "organizing department" as your duties and responsibilities? if you're not going to answer properly then this ask thread should be closed by the mods

surely you know what an admin job is ?? you are familiar with at the very least legal assistants and secretaries? i've had jobs whose duties i'd casually describe as "organizing department", especially if the place is understaffed they are usually a lot of work because you end up doing parts of every one else's jobs along with submitting department budgets, organizing schedules, maintaining supplies, dealing with calls visitors and deliveries, plus carrying out a number of routine tasks whose nature depends on what kind of department one is organizing. the only reason you have a department to work in is because of people whose job duties are "organizing the department". so please behave yourself. a gentleman of quality would not be so aggressive in his questioning about such matters. save it for destroying lives daily in the courtroom, prosecutor



wait, I thought discipline meant "organizing department" as in, someone who works in a department that is responsible for the organizing of workers into a political movement. If discipline meant she's literally a secretary who does the budgets, work schedules, etc, for an office, then I understand generally what the job entails. Which one is it? If it's the latter, what made it special in terms of being "labour".

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#49
discipline have you considered being a teacher? most of them are in unions + you can instill children with Good Ideas

complete shot in the dark but everyone deserves a livable job
#50
the core assumption being that teaching in the United States in the year of our lord 2014 is livable i guess
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#52
any teacher that is sufficiently political to make a real difference is immediately purged and blackballed, being a 'good' teacher and actually having a job requires admitting defeat before the ideological requirements of the system (some people who squeeze by this way are still brave and do what they can, but it's a miserable balance to walk.) you could occasionally get away with more if you have something too valuable to get rid of, like language fluency and a sciences education in a language immersion high school, but good luck with that.

unless you teach in university, in which case your students are almost entirely bougie worms and the remainder are already political so who cares.
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roseweird posted:

libelous_slander posted:

im awesome at this shit and i should probably be the first against the wall. in another era, i would have been an efficiency expert. kill me



there's no shame in that, you just want to be using your skills somewhere good. an efficient and hardworking admin is a blessing in a cramped, understaffed, and underfunded office, so ... look for a job you'll feel good about, then eat a lot of pancakes for dinner and think about how nice morality is


yeah, talented administrators are incredibly valuable in radical circles, and a lack of them is often why things are a total shitshow. if you are good at that sort of thing there are plenty of places to do The Good Work, you just gotta find em

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shriekingviolet posted:

any teacher that is sufficiently political to make a real difference is immediately purged and blackballed, being a 'good' teacher and actually having a job requires admitting defeat before the ideological requirements of the system (some people who squeeze by this way are still brave and do what they can, but it's a miserable balance to walk.) you could occasionally get away with more if you have something too valuable to get rid of, like language fluency and a sciences education in a language immersion high school, but good luck with that.

unless you teach in university, in which case your students are almost entirely bougie worms and the remainder are already political so who cares.



i had some really great teachers in high school. i dont mean preaching the gospel of marx to five y/o's of course, but the teachers at my schools got away with a lot. note: i live in the bay area

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shriekingviolet posted:

any teacher that is sufficiently political to make a real difference is immediately purged and blackballed,



from the bourgeois state, sure

#56
i also hear that if you tell the head of the teamsters that youre a communist you might not be allowed to organize for his trade union, thats what i hear
#57

VoxNihili posted:

shriekingviolet posted:

any teacher that is sufficiently political to make a real difference is immediately purged and blackballed, being a 'good' teacher and actually having a job requires admitting defeat before the ideological requirements of the system (some people who squeeze by this way are still brave and do what they can, but it's a miserable balance to walk.) you could occasionally get away with more if you have something too valuable to get rid of, like language fluency and a sciences education in a language immersion high school, but good luck with that.

unless you teach in university, in which case your students are almost entirely bougie worms and the remainder are already political so who cares.



i had some really great teachers in high school. i dont mean preaching the gospel of marx to five y/o's of course, but the teachers at my schools got away with a lot. note: i live in the bay area


I guess it might depend on where you live/work.

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I do find it really disconcerting that unions are kind of lame. The IWW seems like the only really good one since they at least acknowledge that even signing an agreement with management is a sign of weakness. All the rules about it force there to be union organizers who get paid a bit more, and then they have to protect their position by making concessions to management that the workers don't want.
But what's the solution?
I'm really starting to think that democracy in North America is a total joke, and any attempt to politically oppose the ruling class would see you thrown in jail on technicalities.
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shriekingviolet posted:

VoxNihili posted:

shriekingviolet posted:

any teacher that is sufficiently political to make a real difference is immediately purged and blackballed, being a 'good' teacher and actually having a job requires admitting defeat before the ideological requirements of the system (some people who squeeze by this way are still brave and do what they can, but it's a miserable balance to walk.) you could occasionally get away with more if you have something too valuable to get rid of, like language fluency and a sciences education in a language immersion high school, but good luck with that.

unless you teach in university, in which case your students are almost entirely bougie worms and the remainder are already political so who cares.



i had some really great teachers in high school. i dont mean preaching the gospel of marx to five y/o's of course, but the teachers at my schools got away with a lot. note: i live in the bay area

I guess it might depend on where you live/work.



in high school we had an ex-police officer who taught history using "A People's History of the United States" as his core textbook. he was pretty popular.

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Red_Canadian posted:

I'm really starting to think that democracy in North America is a total joke, and any attempt to politically oppose the ruling class would see you thrown in jail on technicalities.



the only democratic processes in the US that are even the tiniest bit meaningful and legitimate occur at the local level. everything else is a lost cause.

#63
i bet he was, peoples history of the united states has like fewer pages on the great patriotic war than any other text book
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Red_Canadian posted:

I'm really starting to think that democracy in North America is a total joke, and any attempt to politically oppose the ruling class would see you thrown in jail on technicalities.


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#66
back to uh, asking questions: what is your impression of the average lifespan of jobs in your org? I mean we both know these kinds of jobs eat people regularly and turn them into horrible burned out shells, how long had your superiors been in their positions? were there any lifers?
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#69
I don't think this was answered anywhere in the past two pages, but what sort of orgs./companies did your organization (attempt to?) represent?
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defhilarious posted:

I don't think this was answered anywhere in the past two pages, but what sort of orgs./companies did your organization (attempt to?) represent?

Goldman Sachs, The Economist

#71
it's really really hard being a union organizer, i once attempted to date a lady who worked for the hotel and hospitality workers union back in London and we would go for entire weeks without seeing each other because aside from her ~70 hour weeks she had basically no way of predicting whether she'd have to be working or not within the next 6 hours. well done khamsek for managing as long as you did, you have more strength and commitment than the rest of us morons put together
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littlegreenpills posted:

it's really really hard being a union organizer, i once attempted to date a lady who worked for the hotel and hospitality workers union back in London and we would go for entire weeks without seeing each other because aside from her ~70 hour weeks she had basically no way of predicting whether she'd have to be working or not within the next 6 hours. well done khamsek for managing as long as you did, you have more strength and commitment than the rest of us morons put together


#73
we only even managed to have sex once. it was mindblowing though, she was a fucking animal
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#75
mustang downvote. i am vindicated
#76
I neutralised it, now nobody will know that your post didn't suck
#77
go to hell sexhavers
#78

Lykourgos posted:

I neutralised it, now nobody will know that your post didn't suck



why you gotta kick a man when hes down? lykourgos upvotes are like double downvotes!

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#80
yo vox when are we gonna hang out so i can embarrass you into never posting here again like i did with that other guy from berkeley