Typical Pubbie posted:
What effective left advocacy looks like. Watch the interview to hear what it sounds like.
Superabound posted:so what exactly motivated that change? did reddit finally pull enough users away that they realized people dont really want to pay :10bux: for the privilege of having their grammar and capitalization graded like a middle school English class?
they realized there was already a d&d on the forums and they didn't need d&d: the lighter side for the donpa ronpaul and watch me draw sonic megathreads
worthless posted:some leftist infighting is a result of active attempts by enemies of the left to sabotage consensus and concerted action via cooptation, infiltration etc. not that if you could get rid of outside pressures the fighting would go away, but there are also people stirring the pot deliberately to make things more difficult.
no doubt about that.
https://sites.google.com/site/cointelprodocs/cointelpro-the-fbi-s-covert-action-programs-against-american-citizens#sec4b
postposting posted:kreayshawn is legit b/c her mom was in trashwomen
kreayshawn is mc pee pants.
worthless posted:some leftist infighting is a result of active attempts by enemies of the left to sabotage consensus and concerted action via cooptation, infiltration etc. not that if you could get rid of outside pressures the fighting would go away, but there are also people stirring the pot deliberately to make things more difficult.
lol w/e. next thing u know youll be telling us Gloria Steinem was directly employed by the CIA, or Pussy Riot is actually a front for US/Israeli political interests
https://twitter.com/JustineTunney/status/432835103241568256
HenryKrinkle posted:worthless posted:
some leftist infighting is a result of active attempts by enemies of the left to sabotage consensus and concerted action via cooptation, infiltration etc. not that if you could get rid of outside pressures the fighting would go away, but there are also people stirring the pot deliberately to make things more difficult.
no doubt about that.
https://sites.google.com/site/cointelprodocs/cointelpro-the-fbi-s-covert-action-programs-against-american-citizens#sec4b
it never ceases to amaze me that so many "radicals" refuse to believe in the reality of the contents of that document, other church committee materials, and even the concept that cointel strategies exist outside of spy movies. it's a good litmus test for identifying folks who are either informants or dumb as shit and a liability
solzhesnitchin posted:this ows twitter account person just keeps on giving
https://twitter.com/JustineTunney/status/432835103241568256
Is this sincere or a Yes Men prank?
MadMedico posted:
lmao it was him. Nathan For You continues to be greatest of all American experiments
shriekingviolet posted:it never ceases to amaze me that so many "radicals" refuse to believe in the reality of the contents of that document, other church committee materials, and even the concept that cointel strategies exist outside of spy movies. it's a good litmus test for identifying folks who are either informants or dumb as shit and a liability
lucky for me im a Feminist, the one leftist ideology that hasnt in any way been infiltrated or corrupted by the CIA into supporting the western imperial capitalist agenda
shriekingviolet posted:HenryKrinkle posted:worthless posted:
some leftist infighting is a result of active attempts by enemies of the left to sabotage consensus and concerted action via cooptation, infiltration etc. not that if you could get rid of outside pressures the fighting would go away, but there are also people stirring the pot deliberately to make things more difficult.
no doubt about that.
https://sites.google.com/site/cointelprodocs/cointelpro-the-fbi-s-covert-action-programs-against-american-citizens#sec4bit never ceases to amaze me that so many "radicals" refuse to believe in the reality of the contents of that document, other church committee materials, and even the concept that cointel strategies exist outside of spy movies. it's a good litmus test for identifying folks who are informants
This is a pretty strange lesson to learn from COINTELPRO, to put it politely, considering that a cornerstone of their strategy was to create paranoia about infiltration, label legitimate members of target organizations as informants, and to generally sow distrust within and between organizations. I don't think there's any reason to believe that infiltrators would be inclined to deny the possibility of informants but quite the opposite, they'd probably appear as some of the most 'vigilant' members of the org in that regard because it both disrupts the group and provides a great cover.
Lessons posted:shriekingviolet posted:
HenryKrinkle posted:
worthless posted:
some leftist infighting is a result of active attempts by enemies of the left to sabotage consensus and concerted action via cooptation, infiltration etc. not that if you could get rid of outside pressures the fighting would go away, but there are also people stirring the pot deliberately to make things more difficult.
no doubt about that.
https://sites.google.com/site/cointelprodocs/cointelpro-the-fbi-s-covert-action-programs-against-american-citizens#sec4b
it never ceases to amaze me that so many "radicals" refuse to believe in the reality of the contents of that document, other church committee materials, and even the concept that cointel strategies exist outside of spy movies. it's a good litmus test for identifying folks who are informants
This is a pretty strange lesson to learn from COINTELPRO, to put it politely, considering that a cornerstone of their strategy was to create paranoia about infiltration, label legitimate members of target organizations as informants, and to generally sow distrust within and between organizations. I don't think there's any reason to believe that infiltrators would be inclined to deny the possibility of informants but quite the opposite, they'd probably appear as some of the most 'vigilant' members of the org in that regard because it both disrupts the group and provides a great cover.
cia spotted
aerdil posted:hmmm sounds like the answer on how to proceed is somewhere..... in the middle
much like choosing a wine
Lessons posted:shriekingviolet posted:
HenryKrinkle posted:
worthless posted:
some leftist infighting is a result of active attempts by enemies of the left to sabotage consensus and concerted action via cooptation, infiltration etc. not that if you could get rid of outside pressures the fighting would go away, but there are also people stirring the pot deliberately to make things more difficult.
no doubt about that.
https://sites.google.com/site/cointelprodocs/cointelpro-the-fbi-s-covert-action-programs-against-american-citizens#sec4b
it never ceases to amaze me that so many "radicals" refuse to believe in the reality of the contents of that document, other church committee materials, and even the concept that cointel strategies exist outside of spy movies. it's a good litmus test for identifying folks who are informants
This is a pretty strange lesson to learn from COINTELPRO, to put it politely, considering that a cornerstone of their strategy was to create paranoia about infiltration, label legitimate members of target organizations as informants, and to generally sow distrust within and between organizations. I don't think there's any reason to believe that infiltrators would be inclined to deny the possibility of informants but quite the opposite, they'd probably appear as some of the most 'vigilant' members of the org in that regard because it both disrupts the group and provides a great cover.
to some extent I agree, though in montreal during the student protests there were really obvious infiltrators that were also dumb and made poor choices. cointel competence isn't universal, and sometimes they screw up and/or use conflicting strategies. sometimes using conflicting strategies gives really good returns, if you can get half of a group paranoid about infiltration and the other half completely blind to the possibility that can be really effective. generally though you are right, the policy that I push for is to accept that infiltration happens and exercise caution without allowing paranoid witch hunts. practicing proper security and compartmentalization is far more productive than trying to root out snitches.
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In a blatant act of political censorship, the moderators of the r/socialism forum on the link aggregating site Reddit have unilaterally “blacklisted” the World Socialist Web Site for a period of one month. In announcing the ban, one of the moderators declared that it would be made permanent unless the WSWS changed its political line.
The immediate reason for the ban is the WSWS’ position on the latest sex scandal whipped up by the media—the attack on Woody Allen launched by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof. In a February 5 article by Arts Editor David Walsh, the WSWS denounced Kristof’s resurrection of discredited allegations that Allen sexually abused his adopted daughter twenty years ago.
cant make this up
Among the opponents of the ban on the WSWS, several suggested that the action mirrored the anti-socialist provocations of state agencies, such as the COINTELPRO program of the 1960s and 1970s. There is no doubt that behind the scenes, individuals are involved who have direct ties to state agencies. But the witch-hunting attack on the WSWS also corresponds to the politics of the groups and individuals involved. They are what they do.
The campaign against the WSWS and its position on Woody Allen helps lift the lid on the political orientation of the identity politics crowd and the right-wing upper-middle class milieu that is its social base.
