1. marx
2. part in wolf of wall street where Johnna hill is trying to downplay the rumors about him while admitting that they're 100% true
3. pro wrestling theme music
4. in movies or television where a vampire is lying down and stands up using levitation or something and they spring up rigid like a rake someone stepped on
i should level with everyone here i actually know nothing about this and have nothing to contribute but i like to hear/read people who do have things to contribute doing their contributions i think its interesting and educational
I like how leftism is torn to shreds over and over and you guys just carry on like nothing happened. That's persistence.
5ywryurtyrt posted:i should level with everyone here i actually know nothing about this and have nothing to contribute but i like to hear/read people who do have things to contribute doing their contributions i think its interesting and educational
I like how leftism is torn to shreds over and over and you guys just carry on like nothing happened. That's persistence.
hello mustang. why do they keep ifaping y ou??
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getfiscal posted:it's like the left has forgotten most of its history.
i think that this is basically true and that the left has to (politically speaking) rebuild itself (and is sort of in the process of doing that already) in the wake of being sort of assimilated into the status quo in the form of 20th century social democracy while the remainder was vilified to the point that people don't realize that similar social force were behind things like communist china and the 8 hour work day. so maybe the history of the left needs to be reprocessed in the light of a century that has been changed so much by leftism and reactions to it?
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5ywryurtyrt posted:I like how libertarianism is torn to shreds over and over and you guys just carry on like nothing happened. That's persistence.
like how libertarianism is torn to shreds over and over
Like when? Has Social Security Redistributed to Whites from Persons of Color?
http://www.rhizzone.net/forum/topic/11593/
while the remainder was vilified to the point that people don't realize that similar social force were behind things like communist china and the 8 hour work day.
Henry Ford?
Not kidding. Henry Ford both funded the Bolsheviks to gain access to Russian oil, and introduced the 8 hour day.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-factory-workers-get-40-hour-week
http://books.google.com/books?id=pHl3U_AZxPgC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=henry+ford+bolshevik&source=bl&ots=88p0yjQj51&sig=q-Yts_GoSRo5f7eos9P6Q9bQawU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9ELcUsmrEKahsQTPwIGYAw&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAg
5ywryurtyrt posted:while the remainder was vilified to the point that people don't realize that similar social force were behind things like communist china and the 8 hour work day.
Henry Ford?
Not kidding. Henry Ford both funded the Bolsheviks to gain access to Russian oil, and introduced the 8 hour day.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-factory-workers-get-40-hour-week
http://books.google.com/books?id=pHl3U_AZxPgC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=henry+ford+bolshevik&source=bl&ots=88p0yjQj51&sig=q-Yts_GoSRo5f7eos9P6Q9bQawU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9ELcUsmrEKahsQTPwIGYAw&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hours_of_Work_%28Industry%29_Convention,_1919
while the remainder was vilified to the point that people don't realize that similar social force were behind things like communist china and the 8 hour work day.
Well that wouldn't be good PR for you guys. The adult left tries to distance itself from actually existing Marxian Socialism and National Socialism.
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5ywryurtyrt posted:like how libertarianism is torn to shreds over and over
Like when? Has Social Security Redistributed to Whites from Persons of Color?
http://www.rhizzone.net/forum/topic/11593/
Even if it did you aren't making a clear argument one way or another for (or against) libertarianism or socialism. You're probably not interested in arguing which is why your claims are so muddled and unclear.
Even if it did you aren't making a clear argument one way or another for (or against) libertarianism or socialism. You're probably not interested in arguing which is why your claims are so muddled and unclear.
So what do you want me to do? Present an argument for libertarianism? Okay.
If someone proposes a government policy the burden is on them to justify it. In any case where this isn't done libertarianism is the default position. If you can't see why this is sensible then I have nothing else to say.
If you accept this then I don't actually have to present an argument until you do, but if you want I can still criticize different policies, eg by pointing out that cutting government spending makes every income bracket better off etc etc.
5ywryurtyrt posted:The adult left tries to distance itself from actually existing Marxian Socialism and National Socialism.
It's impossible to talk to you because you say things like this, that are completely meaningless. The subject, object, and verb in your sentence are all completely undefined:
"The adult left" meaning who?
"tries to distance itself" meaning what?
"actually existing Marxian Socialism and National Socialism" meaning which organizations, governments, peoples, etc...?
If you have any coherent point to make, why not make it, instead of linking to random pages you Google, then expecting others to draw your conclusions from them?
5ywryurtyrt posted:If someone proposes a government policy the burden is on them to justify it. In any case where this isn't done libertarianism is the default position. If you can't see why this is sensible then I have nothing else to say.
Great, you are finally done then?
If you have any coherent point to make, why not make it,
I did, I reminded you that adult Leftists try to distance themselves from the horrors of National and Marxian Socialism. This is why trots exist.
Great, you are finally done then?
I don't think I'll ever be done. There are some people here who hold leftism as an entrenched part of their personality.
5ywryurtyrt posted:I don't think I'll ever be done. There are some people here who hold leftism as an entrenched part of their personality.
The only argument for libertarianism is better access to steampunk roleplay, anything else is drugs and sex.
If someone proposes a government policy the burden is on them to justify it.
This isn't a case for anything resembling libertarianism. This is more akin to pluralism, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism_(political_theory) or even anarchism (general critical view towards a power structure).
In any case, "justification" could be interpreted for a radical leftist as the opposite of what a market advocate sees.
Your terms are muddy and your unwillingness or inability to articulate something with defined (or commonly understood) terms makes me question your authenticity.
even anarchism (general critical view towards a power structure).
Anarchocapitalism is fine too.
Your terms are muddy and your argumentation simple and juvenile.
Nah you're just trying to get off the hook. Justify welfare/communism/whatever please or respond.
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5ywryurtyrt posted:even anarchism (general critical view towards a power structure).
Anarchocapitalism is fine too.
Your terms are muddy and your argumentation simple and juvenile.
Nah you're just trying to get off the hook. Justify welfare/communism/whatever please.
Being critical of government is entirely unrelated to being critical of markets. Simply because I might share in your criticism that "government" does bad stuff might not preclude the fact that I see the workings of the market in the government.
There's never been anything close to a free market, since its a fantasy. Poverty/slums aren't a problem for markets, they are the solution to the massive inequality which is inherent to basic structures of capitalism/ free market ideology. They are the solution to the need for cheap, exploitable labor, which is inherent to the law of surplus value.
I've talked to a fair number of libertarians at length about the '08 financial crash. I point out that these were rational actors, hiding information from each other in order to make short term profit; that they were able to do these things because of policies and protections the government gave them. Libertarians seem to think that this is where the analysis ends.
On the contrary - government is dominated by capital, this effect of money in democracy is what precipitated these laws, not "bureaucracy theory". The fetish towards markets themselves and their unique concept of "freedom" is our current day slavery.
On the contrary - government is dominated by capital, this effect of money in democracy is what precipitated these laws, not "bureaucracy theory". The fetish towards markets themselves and their unique concept of "freedom" is our current day slavery.
I don't disagree with anything you say, markets are not perfect. I only have a problem if you don't support cutting oppressive government programs like welfare.
You mentioned that government is dominated by capital. I totally agree and would like to link you to some examples, if you don't mind.
In r/K Selection Theory in Evolutionary Ecology, if you provide a population with free resources, those who will come to dominate the population will exhibit five basic traits, called an r-selected Reproductive Strategy. These traits are all designed to best exploit the free resource availability. In nature, the r-selected strategy is best seen in the rabbit, which lives in fields of grass it will never fully consume. The five traits are, competition and risk avoidance, promiscuity, low-investment single parenting, earlier age of sexualization of young, and no loyalty to in-group. These traits are ultimately designed to maximize the numbers of offspring produced. Each of these offspring, though of lesser fitness, will be able to survive and reproduce freely themselves, due to the free resource availability.
this is why people are leftists hth
Themselves posted:I'm getting upvoted by this faggot for replying to him so I'm going to stop posting and watch the 49er game now
nothing wrong with posting true things, who cares if you got "trolled" into posting it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfPt-kMp7rI
I was going to go to the aquarium with some friends yesterday but the line was ludicrously long so we got drunk and went bowling instead. While sipping my JD and coke and waiting for my turn I couldn’t help but notice the pop videos being projected onto the screens at the back of each lane, flashing and pulsing away in the faces of the young teenagers who were enjoying what is supposed to be a nice and wholesome day out.
Flashy cars sparkled under papparazi flashes as the neatly groomed young men mugged for the camera and boasted of their (somewhat limited) prowess. It was all very silly and contrived until I started thinking about just how insidious and powerful these cultural messages were. I mean, I consider myself a pretty enlightened and respectful guy but my eyes were just glued to these ostentatious signifiers of wealth and privilege: futuristic urbanity and sterile blue glows of fetishized commodities, the winsome and subservient women who seemingly live for nothing more than gyrating their glistening Nubian legs, they transcend their cultural context and appeal directly to the baser angels of our nature.
How can communism ever compete against this? This is the big stumbling block I hit time and time again. This beautiful post-modern nihil where art serves as nothing but advertising and infects our lives day in and day out, playing on the naivety of children and the subsequent venal sexuality and individualism that rests deep inside all of us. Maybe the next Che is dealing crack and stealing air jordans, maybe the next Marx is loading up a young girl on Petrone. How can youth rallies and the proletarian spirit compete with Flo Rida, how can Simone de Bouviour compete with Rhianna? How can lentils compete with McDonalds and how can a sexless grey tunic compete with Ciara’s hotpants?
I simply don’t see how they can lose when they have the endless wellspring of greed, status and self-aggrandizement to draw upon
innsmouthful posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me17_uzP4Pk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfPt-kMp7rI
I was going to go to the aquarium with some friends yesterday but the line was ludicrously long so we got drunk and went bowling instead. While sipping my JD and coke and waiting for my turn I couldn’t help but notice the pop videos being projected onto the screens at the back of each lane, flashing and pulsing away in the faces of the young teenagers who were enjoying what is supposed to be a nice and wholesome day out.
Flashy cars sparkled under papparazi flashes as the neatly groomed young men mugged for the camera and boasted of their (somewhat limited) prowess. It was all very silly and contrived until I started thinking about just how insidious and powerful these cultural messages were. I mean, I consider myself a pretty enlightened and respectful guy but my eyes were just glued to these ostentatious signifiers of wealth and privilege: futuristic urbanity and sterile blue glows of fetishized commodities, the winsome and subservient women who seemingly live for nothing more than gyrating their glistening Nubian legs, they transcend their cultural context and appeal directly to the baser angels of our nature.
How can communism ever compete against this? This is the big stumbling block I hit time and time again. This beautiful post-modern nihil where art serves as nothing but advertising and infects our lives day in and day out, playing on the naivety of children and the subsequent venal sexuality and individualism that rests deep inside all of us. Maybe the next Che is dealing crack and stealing air jordans, maybe the next Marx is loading up a young girl on Petrone. How can youth rallies and the proletarian spirit compete with Flo Rida, how can Simone de Bouviour compete with Rhianna? How can lentils compete with McDonalds and how can a sexless grey tunic compete with Ciara’s hotpants?
I simply don’t see how they can lose when they have the endless wellspring of greed, status and self-aggrandizement to draw upon
'greed, status and self-aggrandizement' aka human nature
RadioNewsUnbelievableDeals posted:Themselves is also mustang.
#wow #whoa
Ironicwarcriminal posted:'greed, status and self-aggrandizement' aka human nature
cone status? slammed.
I posted tryhard posts like I sometimes do here.
Not mustang though
sorry guys
"Market abolitionism", and all that nu-age communism stuff.