thirdplace posted:

all trades aren't created equal

Exactly, it's such a broad generalization to lump in general construction, for example, with carpentry. Relatively unskilled work like house framing, roofing and demo is very very different from being a master electrician or carpenter. You can get started with no education and learn the basics but to become a highly skilled artisan takes years of practice and dedication.

Cooking is arguably a trade and nobody can really argue there's a difference between being a dishwasher and working the line in a five star kitchen. Lumping a highly skilled cook or carpenter in with someone just starting out in a general labour position is ignorant and insulting to their years of training.

Likewise there are other trades that have severe health and safety issues like welding which anyone getting into should be concious of. Coming home with cuts, callouses and scars on your hands might not be for everyone but for me it's a source of pride. Some people just prefer to work with their hands and there's nothing obnoxious about that nor shameful about being university educated, culturally aware and working class.

Not to get completely sidetracked but it sounds like volunteering at Habitat for Humanity is a good idea for you at the very least. I'm not really suggesting you should ignore all your past experience and take up construction on a whim but it's definitely a good idea for you to broaden your mind for other paths that might lead to a happier work environment for you personally.

Lykourgos posted:

I don't know if I would use the word "useless" to describe you guys, I mean you read about communism and understand the very science of history, politics, and economics. That's really important, you can use your historical science to predict the future of class struggles, or you could help run the government. Keep reading barx lenin, his works are really successful at teaching you things. Here I am with a job but, I mean, I lack the mao engels teachings, if only I had studied like you lot I would be a better government worker.

i checked and it looks like there are still black people in cook county who arent in jail, prison, or on probation so you could definitely be better at your job

thirdplace posted:

all trades aren't created equal

i made the same point here like six months ago when american nazbro was all gung ho to work demolition. normally i'm pretty pro-go-work-in-the-trades, but some of the stuff in this thread just isn't realistic in my experience and the experience of quite a few ~MASTER CARPENTERS~ who i know quite well and have worked for & with

swirlsofhistory posted:

Forget all that shit-- I can tell you right now 2014 is going to be the year that everything goes down. By next December you'll have fought running gun battles with anti-com paramils, watched dozens of prominent figures in business and politics sentenced at revolutionary tribunal, and bedded no fewer than eight impressionable (and nubile) female cadres, none of whom were born before the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Pretty soon "Should I or shouldn't I do temp work at a bank" is going to seem like the most pedestrian, least important question you've ever asked yourself. So yeah, I wouldn't sweat this life thing too much.

the next 6 months will be crucial

Bablu posted:

there are non union electricians in ontario

source: my mom lives next to the toronto ibew and the guy there suggested i go find some contractor to work for before doing the (maybe, i forgot) yearly union entrance test if i wanted to be an electrician. instead i went to university and my brother who is in marketing makes fun of the time i applied to be an electrician

your brother is in marketing lmao

solzhesnitchin posted:

getfiscal posted:

Also why do you think I said I was going to ask a bunch of people in real life about it including my uncles and a job centre.

yeah sorry about that. some of the other posts besides yours got me a little irate and i didn't read all of yours before posting

this article is maybe a bit more clear about the difference between licensing and union membership.

http://www.cnmag.ca/issue-34/985-work-ibew-lights-the-way-n10

thanks, I appreciate that. I was wrong though so whatever's.

I guess my logic works something like this: I find the idea of researching alternative economic policy interesting, but I'm not as interested in teaching. There aren't many openings in generic public service and many of them are essentially marketing jobs for politicians. I don't think social work would be a good fit for me as my sister is a social worker and I don't think I could handle the burn out. But the idea of having a specific skill set rather than random office work is appealing to me.

I don't know if any trades would fit a sort of skilled work I might like but I'll look into it. I'm going to start driving lessons next week I think so that'll help overall for whatever.

Lykourgos posted:

yeah, you could be a diving Leninist, good idea

a lot of jobs here require a drivers license because they might need you to run errands or go to different sites. Also obviously in a less built up county it will help to be able to drive to jobs since bus service here sucks real bad.

VoxNihili posted:

heres a good cover letter to get you started

I'm Prayyinggg for You