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its way fucking differnt from being racist, get it through youre thick ass skull, maybe go to college for something other than gay art bullshit or something??" haha that bitch dint evern now what to say, god forbid i would have even brought up the word "racialist" she proban;y wouldve ahd a connption
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Well, it is different than racism, but you can't expect the common sort to appreciate such fine distinctions.
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but seriously lykourgos do you want to rub your dick in between little boys thighs or not?
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How old are we talking about here?

Seriously, though, I unfortunately grew up in a certain manner in the modern world, and the things I want to do are not entirely the same as those that our ancient counter-parts might be interested in.

Who knows where the future will take humanity, though!
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so you do
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but youre sad modern society doesnt approve
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No, I literally don't have the desire. But that could be a cultural issue. Modern man has committed cultural genocide against our ancestors, obviously. If I had been raised appropriately, in a healthy, classical society, things might be different.
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acephalousuniverse posted:

its way fucking differnt from being racist, get it through youre thick ass skull, maybe go to college for something other than gay art bullshit or something??" haha that bitch dint evern now what to say, god forbid i would have even brought up the word "racialist" she proban;y wouldve ahd a connption


this conflict people feel with interpersonal racism is something outside of the southern experience.

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Roseweird, I champion Sparta, which held that ideal female citizens were a lot more than mere concubines, prostitutes, and slaves.

I don't care for the Athenian treatment of women, but at the same time I am not calling for the reinstatement of some Athenian constitution. At a time in China women literally didn't have formal names, but again I'm not calling for that, either.
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Lykourgos posted:

Roseweird, I champion Sparta, which held that ideal female citizens were a lot more than mere concubines, prostitutes, and slaves.

I don't care for the Athenian treatment of women, but at the same time I am not calling for the reinstatement of some Athenian constitution. At a time in China women literally didn't have formal names, but again I'm not calling for that, either.


yaarrrgh m8y

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To be clear, though, women and men are not the same. And modern people are not raised to treat them as the same. So long as they are treated decently and their qualities recognised, I don't personally get too worked up. There's more than one way to skin a cat, more than one way to organize society.
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roseweird posted:

Lykourgos posted:

women and men are not the same

why do people respond to feminists by saying this condescending shit. i have never claimed that women and men are "the same" and neither have any feminist theorists i have ever read



How is any of that condescending? I don't even know what the feminist position is, let alone am I trying to respond to it. I am outlining my own position; easy does it lass

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what are u drinkin tonite rosewaddle
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with bitter melon, evidently
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nice side-step, RW. You are just looking to parry and respond to some imagined insult. I never commented on feminism and I don't even know what your position is about the equality or lack of equality between women and men. Grow up, please.
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but on a more positive note, are those the Charites in your avatar?

I think the graeae would be more suitable for you
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oic
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someone i work with was talking about feminism recently and I described myself to her as a "misogynstic feminist" and she got really quiet and dropped the subject. Like she's never heard of systemic privilege
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keeping Sparta in a state of war objectively increased the material power of the Spartan woman. Consistently high casualties among male Spartans provided widows with independent ownership over much of the land in Laconia.
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Spartans only served the purpose of producing plato/Socrates n/t
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Dont Mess With Sucess
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roseweird posted:

Lykourgos posted:

Roseweird, I champion Sparta, which held that ideal female citizens were a lot more than mere concubines, prostitutes, and slaves.

yes, it held that ideal female citizens would fight in defense of the patriarchal state and prepare their sons for battle, to go and brutalize the women of some other state. no state based on the practice of war is a friend of women. is this the best you can do? snarfing up kidneys while jailing upstarts and playing warrior of sparta in your head? you think any woman wants to live by your flabby ideals?

Lykourgos posted:

I think the graeae would be more suitable for you



For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am the mother and the daughter.
I am the members of my mother.
I am the barren one
and many are her sons.

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im drinking old granddad and getting frustrated with the SHIT ASS UNFUNNY POSTING in this thread.
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acephalousuniverse posted:

im drinking old granddad and getting frustrated with the SHIT ASS UNFUNNY POSTING in this thread.


get a hold of your weak drinking then.

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roseweird posted:

Lykourgos posted:

Roseweird, I champion Sparta, which held that ideal female citizens were a lot more than mere concubines, prostitutes, and slaves.

yes, it held that ideal female citizens would fight in defense of the patriarchal state and prepare their sons for battle, to go and brutalize the women of some other state. no state based on the practice of war is a friend of women. is this the best you can do? snarfing up kidneys while jailing upstarts and playing warrior of sparta in your head? you think any woman wants to live by your flabby ideals?



How in the world is that flabby? Sounds pretty energetic to me. How is it patriarchal? How is that a bad thing that cannot be redeemed, even if true? The Spartan state does not focus on patriarchy, it is focused on other ideals. That men serve a particular role is the result of a number of factors, and we can shift that if need be without betraying the sons of Herakles. Your quest to include women does not cheapen the ancients, or betray them in any fashion; the flip side to this is you cannot assume the ancients were hateful to women. Sparta is named after a woman who was said to be so fair that men would die for her.

The women of Sparta did brutalise, or help to brutalise, the women of other societies. That is the nature of the ancient world; conflict, immediate and real, between neighbouring city states and beyond. That is not an indictment of Sparta, but rather an indictment of the 8th-3rd century. And yet, did they not have great values and love for things that are precious? They were people and greatly educated, honour them and reinstate the Lykourgan Constitution.


For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am the mother and the daughter.
I am the members of my mother.
I am the barren one
and many are her sons.



I don't know what this is about, but, it reminds me of that great quote from Herodotus about promises which I will share for no reason. Oath bears a nameless child, who has no hands or feet, but is quick to track down and kill those who betray its mother.

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but you wish you wanted to rub your dick in boys thighs,though
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Well, Xenophon says that sort of physical love was despised in Sparta, so maybe I just want to be really really good friends with young boys. Nothing more; it's just my civic duty.
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