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Mike Nelson here.
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Greetings elleff: The road to 2016 begins now! Let's discuss our picks. Are you for Hillary Clinton? Are you a Rand Paul kinda gal? Are you rooting for David Graeber and the Occupy Party? What about the PSL's invariably ineligible candidates? Can Jacobin rustle up a Left Candidate (Lean Mean Jodi Dean?)?

I'll keep a running tally of all donations posted in this thread:
getfiscal - Canadian - ineligible
littlegreenpills - Briton - ineligible
Lykourgos - Briton - ineligible
jools - Briton - ineligible
mccaine - Dutch - ineligible
future widow - canadian - ineligible
maggotmaster - chilean - ineligible
bippy - $100.01 to Biden 2016
goldenliontamarin - $69 to weird twitter pac
goatstein - $2500 to hillary clinton exploratory committee
discipline - $100 to Biden 2016
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Dont Mess With Sucess
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Putting every last btc behind Elon Musk!
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Pledging my support for Captain Jack Sparrow
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UNUSUALY COOL
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OP, the government of the United States will be as illegitimate as Chelsea "Clinton" as long as it continues to recognize my yummy tummy as a taxable entity contra Internal Revenue Code section 861. I want to urge you to do your own researches on this topic. *grips shirt and waits for the go ahead
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not voting for the socialist alternative candidate is literally hitler
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UNUSUALY COOL
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stegosaurus posted:

the socialist alternative candidate is literally hitler


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putting my stakes with the tea party candidate yet again next election for maximum acceleration
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Mike Nelson here.
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according to marxistsdotorg and such there was a rift in the new communist movement focused around whether groups should build a presence in the working class or whether they should focus on getting their line right. and the two lines (workerism versus rectification) sort of argued that the other line would inevitably falter. like worker-oriented movements said that you couldn't work the mass line without building relationships on the ground with workers and understanding their real lived situation, especially not if you wanted to claim to be marxists. and the line struggle people were like you can't approach the working class with confused ideas that don't relate closely to the political conjuncture or else you'll just be irrelevant and ignored.

the "loss of china" as it turned right pretty much guaranteed failure for the new communist movement as it was structured, along with the end of the vietnam war (and later the destruction of black urban life in america), which traded heavily on prestige of mao and often invested in concepts like three worlds theory which were then abandoned. the two lines also sort of failed doubly over - they couldn't build a line that seemed relevant and they found working with workers incredibly difficult. that doesn't mean they didn't try. it was common for communists to "industrialize" or "establish" themselves and take factory jobs and such in order to organize, but the fact is they weren't pleasant jobs and people either built families or otherwise drifted away from communism.

i don't really buy mao's advancements any more than ho chi minh's or kim il-sung's or castro's or che's or a lot of the other roads that developed in anticolonial revolutionary states. the other thing i agree with is the criticism of the soviet union as turning right, and i'm not entirely sure what to make of that. i don't buy people's war or new democracy or whatever. i think the prevailing theory of the state in the early 1950s or so made sense (people's democracy) but i don't really know if it built substantial socialist democracy. like the various shifts to the right that happened in every country led by communists seems to prove that something was up. but i don't know how you can rectify that without getting people to agree on the basics. but like the number of people who agree with that basic picture is basically zero because it's like... critical hoxhaism or something? which suggests to me it might be incoherent but i dunno..
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trotsky was right
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posting again so no one can say wing
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i dont see why you cant try and do both at the same time? i feel like this sort of compartmentalization can only harm the movement, making it insular and leading to dumb shit like this. the left has a huge image problem, at least in the US, and just making it more visible and supporting a moral foundation for communism/socialism would be a huge step forward.
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hey I'm eligible; I wasn't born in the States but I have had US citizenship ~from birth~. Find me the case law that says you have to actually be born in the geographic united states, rather than be a natural born us citizen.

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political car tune
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Lykourgos posted:

hey I'm eligible; I wasn't born in the States but I am a US citizen who has had citizenship ~from birth~. Find me the case law that says you have to actually be born in the geographic united states, rather than be a natural born us citizen.

There isn't that's why we fucking argue about it every goddamn election

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libelous_slander posted:

Lykourgos posted:

hey I'm eligible; I wasn't born in the States but I am a US citizen who has had citizenship ~from birth~. Find me the case law that says you have to actually be born in the geographic united states, rather than be a natural born us citizen.

There isn't that's why we fucking argue about it every goddamn election



Right, so get ready for your first foreign born, foreign citizenship holding president, fuckers

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political car tune
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i think the foreign citizenship might present problems, comrade
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I don't see anything in the constitution about that. The only question left is, do I run as a Republican or as a Democrat?
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Mike Nelson here.
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the liberal leader in the 2008 election in canada also has french citizenship and people got caremad about it so he said he'd tear it up if he was elected.... bad trade.
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political car tune
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Lykourgos posted:

I don't see anything in the constitution about that. The only question left is, do I run as a Republican or as a Democrat?

im not sure you'd make it through either primary with foreign citizenship as it presents a conflict of interest (just like pizza)

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Kurdt
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grumblefish who is ur fave supreme court justice of the last 40 years
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gyrofry posted:

grumblefish who is ur fave supreme court justice of the last 40 years

i am also interested

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political car tune
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clarence thomas is pretty cool imo
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lokyrgyz seems like a scalia man, but thats probably too obvious. maybe rehnquist?
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Kurdt
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scalia does not affirm the nobility of the learned judicial gentlemanly class and therefore I would expect a very different choice
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Sorry, don't care much about the US Supreme Court, and I don't know the names of very many Justices; fantasizing about your favourite Justice seems to be something best left to law school students, and outsiders who want to be part of the club.

TG posted:

lokyrgyz seems like a scalia man, but thats probably too obvious. maybe rehnquist?



If I have to choose some modern Justice then yes, you win, I would probably choose Rehnquist. Although when Scalia says something Catholic that falls close to Plato, like when he said the thing about encouraging confessions, I kind of smile. That smile is outweighed by how little I think of everything else he and his fellow Justices say.

It's not really a choice I care to make, though. I don't agree with the US Supreme Court's interpretation of the federal constitution, and fundamentally speaking I'm not particularly fond of the constitution either way.

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Mike Nelson here.
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Lykourgos posted:

fundamentally speaking I'm not particularly fond of the constitution either way.

much like our current president.... you'll fit right in.

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Kurdt
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only on a technicality. no wonder he hates the constitution
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Mike Nelson here.
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even i'm not an american.... jesus dude
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political car tune
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getfiscal posted:

even i'm not an american.... jesus dude


agreed; all americans by birth please kill yourselves tia

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Not Your S.H.I.E.L.D.
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Jesse "The Body Politic" Ventura. Two-thousand sixteen
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Superabound posted:

Jesse "The Body Politic" Ventura. Two-thousand sixteen




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